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Originally Posted by Xyrus
I'm not quite sure where you guys are getting your numbers, but (for example) the difference in base price of a Ford Escape vs. the Ford Escape hybrid is not $3700.
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Did you read my post? Edmunds.com. But let's look at your numbers. How exactly did you build and compare them? I used actual invoices from a dealer. Looking online, I'm a bit puzzled at how you arrived at your prices.
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
All hybrid snobbery aside, I believe anything that gets people driving hybrids (even ones such as the GL) is a good thing overall. The average family will reduce fuel consumption by 100 gallons per year in a GL. If a million families had one of these, we would be saving 100 million gallons of fuel per year. That's pretty good.
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And how did you arrive at this conclusion?
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
According to the stats on this site, my GL is performing quite well compared to the rest out there. I have yet to refuel, but "eyeballing" it I'm getting between 28-29 MPG with the engine not even broken in yet.
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(In bold on purpose)
You have yet to refuel, you have no fuel economy display [remember the VUE doesn't have one], and yet you're guessing you're getting between 28 to 29 MPGs? How? Every other user on GH is getting significantly less, 10 MPGs less in some cases! Yet you're magically, without refuelling, without a guage, guessing such high numbers on your first tank?
How?
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
Regardless, the VUE GL was not targeted at the all city/suburban crowd. The VUE was targeted more for those that do more like 50/50 city/freeway or greater. This is where the GL shows it's fuel economy. For example my typical driving routine is roughly 50/50 and I have no problems achieving good MPG.
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Yet others do. No other VUE driver is getting close to the EPA FE here or on other boards. Why is your VUE so unique?
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
If you do primarily city driving, I would recommend against getting the VUE GL. However, if you're more balanced driver, the GL is a decent choice.
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Okay, at this point, you've had one post. You defend the VUE. You cite what I see as a logical impossiblility (in bold) You're now advertising for it. How are you not a plant? Or are you willing to admit that you are?
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
As far as recouping the premium, forget it. At least on SUV hybrids that aren't "plug-ins". With the GL you could possibly recoup the premium in 6 years. With the escape and others, it's a little longer (8-10 years). And then, of course, is the eventual battery replacement. However, in this case the GL has the advantage.
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LOL, you're joking right? My 'break even' point is in the next few months, a little over 2 years of ownership. Others aren't much behind me. And this isn't just for the FEH either. HiHy owners aren't' that far behind either. At least for myself and 2 others here, this is easilly provable. You have every mile I've driven logged here, and I can provide every fuel price for each time. Hopefully even you can't call that a falsehood. As to the Batteries, it's unlikely that any FEH owner will ever have to pay for battery replacement.
Given the VUE's real world economy (From apparantly everyone but you),
they will have the longer time to recoup the premium, rivialing
even the RX400H owners.
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Originally Posted by Xyrus
My $.02.
~X~
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You'll forgive my candor, but shouldn't that read, GM Spokesperson? Seriously, though I may be wrong, given this is your innagural post and you seem to state an impossibility, then try to advertise the VUE. I'm going to cast doubt on your "reality" and your purpose here. If you are just an enthusiastic VUE owner, then I apologize if my stance is a bit too predatory and aggressive for you, I don't mean to disuade you from posting here, but given the circumstances, you're not exactly looking like a casual owner. This may seem like circumstantial evidence, but I noticed something. You didn't post first in the VUE forums, where the users are debating, sharing, and complaining about FE, or giving praise. You didn't post first in the Introductions forum. You posted first here, in response to my critques of the VUE. But it's more then that, isn't it? It's the language of your post. No, not that you advertise the VUE after citing some research against the other hybrid "premiums", but that you use the phrase, VUE GL. Oh, it isn't much, is it? Two little words. VUE GL. Yet, out of all the owner posters on every board, it's the VUE, or GL. Only one other person calls it the VUE GL. Martinjlm. A GM employee. Oh, sure, you could've picked up the nomenclature from him, or just shared that little quirk, but I find little things like that to be quite telling about a person.
I don't ask anyone else to believe either of us, as I think it should be up to everyone who reads this to come to their own conclusions, but take a long look at what he said, and how he said it, I would hope everyone would understand my questions and why I'm asking them.