David,
Where are you located? I paid $500 over invoice for my HAH w/ Navi. That was in Abilene. I found a dealer in Louisiana that offered AT invoice - w/ or w/out Navi. I used that pressure to make my deal in Abilene. A dealer in Dallas would do $500 over, as well. BUT, both TX dealers couldn't believe the LA dealer was offering at invoice. They cussed a lot, but eventually did it.

The LA dealer said he was trying to move as many as he could to boost his alocation.

I can give you names / numbers if you're anywhere in the vicinity. I'm going to Vegas in the morning, though. I *might* log on while there, but it will likely be Sunday b4 I'm back on this site.

Let me know if you're interested.

'05 Accord Hybrid
'05 Odyssey EX-L
'03 1800 Goldwing
'98 Civic EX (16 yr. old daughter's)