Reading about all the problems with both the new auto trannies on various sites including the government's safety complaint site, I'm surprised the 4 cyl Camry didn't make the unreliable list as well. Until we bought the hybrid (which appears problem free) I was trying to steer my wife to the Ford Focus over the "conventional" Camry. Real irony here is that the Focus was just rated as one of the most reliable cars by CU! Who would think it?