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Old 02-11-2008, 03:51 PM
Billyk Billyk is offline
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Default Re: PHEV information

[quote=WaltPA;161314]If there isn't another way to charge up the battery (batteries), like a plug in, I don't think one can use the extra capacity of just a second battery all that much. quote]


I am no expert in regards to vehicles. This is how I understand the article: This talented individual is "fooling" the hybrid battery management system into allowing hybrid battery assist at all speeds.

Here is the link:
http://www.eaa-phev.org/wiki/State_O...ontactor_Based

Part of the article:
SOC Spoofing

The Prius' battery management computer (BMS, called the Battery ECU) communicates to the main hybrid computers via the CAN bus. It indicates battery voltage, current, temperature, and its estimates of state-of-charge (SOC), and maximum allowable charge and discharge current.
The BMS' estimate of SOC is critical, as the hybrid controller keeps SOC within 40-80% (the lower and upper limits of the (nonlinear) display graph), and tries to keep it around 60%. When the SOC is above 60%, the hybrid controller works to discharge the battery by using battery power (and less gasoline) even during normal cruise. This increases to around 30A (~6kW) at 70% and above.
When the SOC is below 60%, the hybrid controller works to charge the battery by making the ICE work extra hard even during normal cruise. Below 40% SOC, stranger things happen and it is difficult to get the engine to put out much power at all.
Dan Kroushl did some experiments with higher voltage batteries that proved that the BMS's indicated SOC can be spoofed (Thanks, Dan!). That led Ron to do enough further experimentation to discover that it is definitely possible to do what is indicated in the above paragraph, and generally how to do it. However, the circuitry and programming to do so is still in development. It generally involves, as needed, providing a higher voltage to the BMS than the actual battery voltage.

This information leads me to believe the Escape Hybrid can be hacked to produce greater mpg. Your thoughts?

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2005 AWD Escape Hybrid
Best tank trip MPG 39.02 (scangauge II) for 402 miles on I-70, 10.3 gallons used over mostly flat terrain.

Best tank trip MPG 34.6 for E30 for 271 miles along I-80 in Indiana and Ohio.
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