Just think of it this way. Sure the new cars aren't getting super gas mileage compared to the earlier hybrids. But they are getting better gas mileage than the non-hybrids of the same vehicle.

You can't force everyone to drive a Prius. People have different needs from a vehcile so sometimes that need dictates a heavier vehicle and that means lower FE.

I think its great people that made that choice come here and hear what we have to say about FE and environment and other hybrid related issues. I think there are some that would never hear these things elsewhere.

The thing that makes Greenhbyrid.com great is the people here and all their diverse opinions.

If someone with a Highlander comes here and wants to learn how to get better mileage should we shun them because they will never achieve 40mpg?

Where do we draw the line? Do we say to people owning Accord Hybrids that their car isn't worthy?

Don't get frustrated. Look at what we have here and work with it.

What does it realy matter to you that someone has a vehicle that gets poorer mileage? These people are still raising the bar for the non hybrid owners.

My hydroponics experiment

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