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Old 08-25-2005, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: Pulse and Glide Class - Sign up. Trainers needed (MHG 9/17 meeting)

Hi GPSman1:

___You are doing what you can in your Escape HEV from my understanding. When I first heard of the P&G technique really picking up ones FE in the HSD equipped hybrid’s and seeing the wild results for myself in a friends borrowed 05 Prius II, I passed on the basics to a number of HCH’ers, Insight’ers, and Escape HEV’ers here at GH. The Escape guys never came back with any hard data but one that no longer participates here stated that the Escape HEV with the Prius I limited THS did not go into a glide mode as the HSD equipped Toyota’s and Lexus’ do today. Let me know as I am still interested in the answer to this question myself … With that, an EV steady state propulsion mode instead of a glide because you “cannot get there from here” in the format you have chosen sounds perfect imho. The 1:1 ratio sounds a bit high but you are maintaining speed instead of letting it bleed off during your EV propulsion mode. Why not try a hybrid P&G technique more suited to the Escape HEV by letting your Escape HEV bleed off speed during EV mode to a lower target speed and pulse back up w/ the ICE powering the wheels as well as sending what current is available to the pack for the next Pack assisted EV mode Glide? I think if you can get the ICE run times down to maybe 35% or less yet still maintain a pack SoC high enough with a std. pulse to bring the SoC back up again for the next EV assisted - Glide event, you will have a method for 60 - 70 mpg + ? This is really a WAG (wild @$$ guess) given I have never driven an Escape HEV but ****ed if I haven’t tried to get my hands on one to try this out for myself

___As a data point, although the 4,500 # - 4WD - Acura MDX - EPA rated 17/23 - is not a hybrid or a relatively fuel efficient automobile to begin with, I could maintain 39.x mpg using a non-hybrid modded P&G technique. Ericbecky took an almost brand new, Toyota Corp owned, 4,100 # - 2WD - HH - EPA rated 33/28 - that was not entirely setup for hypermiling to 47.1 mpg over 20 + miles using the std. P&G technique. I think you might find that your 3,600 # - 2WD - Escape HEV - EPA rated 36/31 - is worth quite a bit more then these numbers when really pushed

___About the P&G write up … it has been written about in what I thought was pretty good detail at the following: 92.04 mpg from a Prius II on my first attempt?

___The maximum limit for a P&G to achieve stellar results is 41 miles per hour due to the ICE having to be spun up above that speed (not started, just spinning on a glide or running on a pulse) to protect one of the 2 MGSet’s. Your Escape has similar limitations as you have already stated.

___Finally, good luck with your latest tank! I am very interested in hearing your results as well as future progress. It can only help present and future Escape HEV drivers improve their own FE when the technique(s) can be applied in everyone’s day to day no matter how short the period for the greatest advantage …

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net

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