I can sympathize with your frustration. I also appreciate the level headed thinking and posting that goes on here at GH. As a new hybrid owner I have found GH to be a great resource. Thank you to all who make it possible.

However, not having read the posts on that forum you mentioned I may be out of line pointing this out here, but I do have to disagree with you on the issue of the HCH seats. I have a 2004 HCH and the seats are very narrow. I commute with a friend who has a 2003 regular Civic and his seats are absolutely not the same. I suppose the difference could have been in the model year, but I tell you my seats have more side bolstering and they're narrower, so narrow that I find them uncomfortable. I have no problem with the standard civic seats. You may believe that they're the same, but I sit in both kinds for two hours a day - switching between them daily - and I can assure you they're not the same seat.