Hi AndyT:

___Other Hybrid forums are commenting on the data as well. Looking at the data, these HEV’s were used in a pool system for people like the Red Cross, APS, and Bank of America. With that, not only were these automobiles driven in AZ. (A/C was on MAX most of the spring, summer, and fall), the owners probably got tired of the performance so there foot was always in it given the low mileage almost all were receiving?

___Here is a summary of what I pulled. Please correct me if you see something in error as that was a lot of pdf’s to review and document.

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HCH pdf #1: 2003 HCH w/ CVT - cost $25,834. Driven by Electric Transportation Application employee. 27,887 @ 36.26 mpg.

HCH pdf #2: 2003 HCH w/ CVT - cost $23,235. Driven by Electric Transportation Application employee. 24,451 miles @ 43.17 mpg.

HCH pdf #3: 2003 HCH w/ CVT - cost $23,174. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. CVT and CAT failed at the 96 and 97K mark respectively. 104,593 miles @ 37.99 mpg.

HCH pdf #4: 2003 HCH w/ CVT - cost $23,174. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. CVT and CAT failed at the 99 and 100K mark respectively. 104,381 miles @ 37.6 mpg.

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Insight pdf #1: 2001 Insight 5-speed - cost $22,387. Driven by Technology Development Fleet of APS. Battery Pack and Controller failed - Replaced under warranty. 68,287 miles @ 47.10 mpg.

Insight pdf #2: 2001 Insight CVT - cost $22,387. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. 104,920 miles @ 44.38 mpg.

Insight pdf #3: 2001 Insight CVT - cost $21,170. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. CVT failed at 89K. 110,175 miles @ 46.23 mpg.

Insight pdf #4: 2001 Insight CVT - cost $22,387. Driven by Grand Canyon Red Cross courier pool. 18,612 miles @ 49.36 mpg.

Insight pdf #5: 2001 Insight CVT – cost $22,887. Driven by Grand Canyon Red Cross courier pool. 15,746 miles @ 44.38 mpg.

Insight pdf #6: 2001 Insight CVT - cost $22,887. Driven by Grand Canyon Red Cross courier pool. 8,962 miles @ 46.38 mpg.

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Prius I pdf #1: 2002 Prius I - Cost $22,580. Driven by Technology Development Fleet of APS. 69,938 miles @ 39.71 mpg.

Prius I pdf #2: 2002 Prius I - Cost $21,655. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. Rear hub and bearing failed at 40K. 106,995 miles @ 40.36 mpg.

Prius I pdf #3: 2002 Prius I - Cost $21,655. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. Overheated and Rack and Pinion failed at 87K and 106K respectively. 105,795 miles @ 41.08 mpg.

Prius I pdf #4: 2002 Prius I - Cost $23,884. Driven by Bank One’s courier pool. 27,513 miles @ 43.68 mpg.

Prius I pdf #5: 2002 Prius I - Cost $23,064. Driven by Electric Transportation Application employee. 15,773 miles @ 45.21 mpg.

Prius I pdf #6: 2002 Prius I - Cost $23,255. Driven by Electric Transportation Application employee. Rack and Pinion failed at 25K and again @ 32K miles - Replaced under warranty. 17,490 miles @ 41.81mpg.

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Prius II’s 16,000 each with an accumulative mpg of 44.6 mpg.

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___I did notice a few outliers?

1. How did the HCH’s and Insight’s cost far more then MSRP?
2. Why did the 1 medium mileage Insight’s pack and controller fail?
3. Why did the 2 high mileage HCH CVT’s and CAT’s fail within just a few miles of one another? Someone from Bank One was probably neutral or brake dropping them by the sounds of it?
4. Why did the 1 high mileage Insight CVT fail?
5. How did the rack and pinions of the 2 Prius’ fail and the one with 2 failures at the 25K and 32 K mark only had 17,490 miles on it?

___Although these automobiles were more then likely abused similar to a rental car by those that drove them, the CVT and CAT failures sound very expensive for the HCH’s in particular.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net