So I guess we are in general agreement. I just wanted to point out that without driving tricks, MOST hybrids, at least the ones on the database on this board, will not achieve EPA under "normal" circumstances.

If you look closely at the database, almost all the people in the upper levels of MPG mention some tricks or driving styles or up-inflated PSI or have long highway commutes, while most of the lower MPG cars mention using no tricks at all.

I'm all for the tricks though, and I use all of them every chance I can. I hope to someday have a 50+ tank in my MT HCH in city driving, which will exceed EPA by about 8%. I will be very interested to see how my HCH fares in the cooler months in Phoenix, when I can avoid A/C and have the windows up. ( Right now, if it is cool enough to go without A/C, I must still have the windows down to provide enough cool air, which increases drag and reduces my MPG. )

Laterz..............