Ha ha. The Prius, which has been out 3 years (current generation), is still selling for MSRP, or indeed even with markup at some dealers in California, and there are very long waiting lists for the Prius at many dealers. Much longer than the wait for the newly-released Camry Hybrid. For all intents and purposes, you will never be able to get the TCH for below MSRP at 99% of all dealers until supply finally meets demand, which probably won't happen for a long time.