I do have a final bottom line number, I just didn't want to start spouting off exactly what I paid for my car. And since the Camry Hybrids had not been delivered to Canada yet, the dealer said he would be able to save us some money on the freight costs if we preordered the vehicle. And because my brother also bought a car from the same dealer only days before I did, he made the prices of the two cars even. So my brother got a Sport Rav4 for the exact same price as I got for my Camry Hybrid. I had the price with all the discounts written and signed!! I'm not just going by something my dealer told me....I have it in writing!! If you really want to know the exact price......just ask!!