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Old 07-05-2005, 01:07 AM
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Thumbs up 2006 Civic Hybrid engine information revealed by Honda - Very refined!

Wow! It looks like there are enough improvements to consider this a true second generation IMA system. It even has a low cruising speed EV mode.

Honda Announces Development of New Honda Hybrid System Featuring 3-Stage i-VTEC + IMA

Almost 10 minute movie demonstrating the new engine

Simply beautiful, what an advanced engine/motor package.

How well will it hypermile though?

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Old 07-05-2005, 01:46 AM
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Hi Romir:

___Nice find! A few Accord IMA/Prius HSD tricks like an EV mode, off the pack A/C in Autostop and after interior temps have stabilized while the ICE is running or not, 30% larger pack cap in smaller and more shock resistant package, more powerful IMA and ICE for ~ 20% increase in performance (0 - 60 in 10 - 10.5 seconds?), 5% better FE (47 city/53 - 54 highway?), lowest PZEV emissions available anywhere …

___Here is what I really like: Gentle acceleration and high-speed cruising: The engine operating in low-speed valve timing mode powers the vehicle. No IMA for slight accelerations! It is about time Honda figured this out!

___Finally, all in a slightly larger and much nicer looking Civic

___Thanks again and Good Luck

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___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net

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Old 07-05-2005, 09:09 AM
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Default Re: 2006 Civic Hybrid engine information revealed by Honda - Very refined!

From this USA Today story:

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Honda also developed a more powerful, fuel-efficient hybrid system that would enable its gasoline-electric vehicles to run solely on the electric motor at low cruising speeds for the first time, like Toyota Motor's popular Prius sedan.

The new system is smaller, lighter and costs up to 30% less than the existing version, a Honda engineer said.

Company officials, briefing reporters at Honda's Tokyo headquarters, also said the new Civic will offer better fuel efficiency than the Prius."
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/...05-honda_x.htm

Something is not adding up here guys !! A 6% improvement does not exceed the Prius in EPA numbers, yet Honda says it will "offer better fuel efficiency" than the Prius?

What gives? *confusion*
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Old 07-05-2005, 09:32 AM
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Considering the way reporting has been on hybrids in the past, I'm not going to take any article too seriously. I agree with lars-ss about the projected mpg if the body weight and drag coefficient are basically the same - does not add up.

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Old 07-05-2005, 09:45 AM
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It looks like it retains the indirect fuel injection. I was hoping it would get direct injection for even better economy numbers.
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Old 07-05-2005, 11:17 AM
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Lars,

Perhaps Honda is talking only about highway MPG ?

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Old 07-05-2005, 04:57 PM
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I'm excited about the `06 Civic hybrid, sounds like the Prius may have met it's match

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Default Re: 2006 Civic Hybrid engine information revealed by Honda - Very refined!

I'm slightly dissapointed. But we realy don't know what the whole package will be. So far Its not something I'm going to trade my car in for.

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Default Re: 2006 Civic Hybrid engine information revealed by Honda - Very refined!

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It looks like it retains the indirect fuel injection. I was hoping it would get direct injection for even better economy numbers.
Direct Injection is a big investment to make, and the main benefit for the hybrid would be improved fuel efficiency from the super lean mixtures. However, until the US has ultra-low sulpher gasoline, they can't run any leaner than 20:1 or so. The JDM Honda Stream DI is designed for 65:1 lean, which is well beyond the reach of our current spec gasoline. I believe that once we have low sulpher gasoline in 2007 or 2008, then you'll see far more direct injection cars popping up.

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Old 07-06-2005, 01:32 PM
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I look forward to test driving this thing. I just hope Honda has figured a way to reconfigure the battery so the rear seat can fold down.
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