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07-31-2005, 10:23 AM
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Confused Enthusiast
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Real Name: Jon
Location: Murrieta, CA
Hybrids: 05 Civic
Posts: 40
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Maximizing FE in Traffic
Any suggestions on maximizing FE while in stop-n-go?
It really brings my average down. The other day I was averaging 52 mpg over a 100 mile trip. Then I hit traffic and it went down to 42 mpg very quickly.
Thanks.
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07-31-2005, 10:58 AM
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GreenHybrid Founder
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Real Name: Jason Siegel
Location: Houston, TX
Hybrids: 2004 Toyota Prius
Posts: 4,530
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
Not sure if this works with IMA, but for a Prius I'd say: try not to stop and go. Slamming on the brakes and slamming on the accelerator will do you no good. Try to keep steady in spite of your surroundings.
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07-31-2005, 11:06 AM
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Plodding along
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Real Name: Tom Baleno
Location: Chicago, IL
Hybrids: 2003 - Honda Civic Hybrid CVT
Posts: 2,128
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
Let trafic move enough where you can get up to 5mpg under light accleration. For me this is about 3 car lengths. Then move forward. Sometimes the gap gets filled in but often you can do this.
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07-31-2005, 02:37 PM
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Pretty Darn Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Chuck
Hybrids: 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
Posts: 366
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
To reiterate what has been said, the best advice for dealing with stop-and-go is to change it into slow-and-go. This will be a benefit not only to your FE, but will also decrease the risk of accidents, which are typically cause by people who speed-and-slam(brakes).
By accelerating slower and deccelerating slower, you have a damping effect on the traffic behind you, so that it moves at a more constant speed. They say that the major cause of accidents is not so much speed as it is change of speed. Driving this way tends to reduce those changes in speed.
It will also do wonders for your blood pressure, and for the blood pressure of those in your lane who realize that you are going just as fast as the guy in the next lane, and thus fall in behind you. It may aggravate and raise the blood pressure of the super-impatient jerks who cannot stand to have more than twelve inches between their front bumper and the rear end of the car ahead; but expediting their departure from our fair planet may not be that bad a thing after all.
The side benefit of all this is that driving in congested traffic this way can have a positive effect on your FE, because slow-and-go can be the one of the best situations for getting great mileage.
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08-01-2005, 05:44 AM
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Energy Independence!
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Real Name: Fernando
Location: South Texas
Hybrids: Honda Civic
Posts: 299
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
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Originally Posted by coyote
. It may aggravate and raise the blood pressure of the super-impatient jerks who cannot stand to have more than twelve inches between their front bumper and the rear end of the car ahead; .
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And have you noticed that, although not always, but almost always, they seem to be driving a large truck or SUV?
That is one of the reasons for the popularity of large trucks...one can bully smaller cars.
The thing is, I know many very decent people driving large trucks, and most of the time they drive corteously. But some of them are, as you bluntly put it, impatient jerks.
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08-01-2005, 07:32 AM
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Pretty Darn Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Chuck
Hybrids: 2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
Actually, since you mention large pickup trucks: I've been surprised, pleasantly, at the number of these individuals who accept the going rate of speed and are some of the more courteous drivers on the road. Maybe they are secure enough in their masculinity that they don't have the need to bully others in order to prove their virility. Like the big schoolyard kid who turns out to be a gentle giant.
It always cheers me up when I see stuff like this, which contradicts the stereotypes we usually hold onto.
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08-01-2005, 08:52 AM
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Cng Attitudes-Not Physics
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Real Name: Chuck
Location: Lewisville (Dallas), Texas
Hybrids: 2000 Honda Enzyte 5-speed
Posts: 3,145
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
Sometimes getting off the freeway improves fuel efficiency and calms me down. Fewer NASCAR-wannbes to deal with.
I talked with someone that has a civil engeneering job. All the off-road travel requires an SUV. I'll admit to stereotyping SUV's from time to time. It's just human psycology: you will remember one jerk better than ten well-behaved drivers. A number of vehicles are stereotyped: - BMW - overly push salesmen or businessmen<
- SUV - Insecureties about manhood or success so they drive this for a power outlet<
- hybrids - geeks, Greenpeace envinomentalists<
- large sedans, esp. American - retirees<
- Bikers - hoodlums<
- Pickup trucks - Ignorant, insensitive rednecks<
- Volvos - the anti-pickup. Well-educated, patron of ther arts and NPR.<
- Souped-up Civics - gang members<
....these are some of the steroetypes that come to mind. People get carried away on "if you drive this, you must be...". On hybrid drivers, we know people on this forum that are hyper-milers, fast drivers, got them to save money, got them to save the envirnoment....
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08-01-2005, 10:12 AM
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Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Steve
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Hybrids: 2004 Civic CVT Hybrid
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
It's easy to stereotype, I do it alot with younger drivers.
While many are unexperienced maniacs, many are also very responsible.
I remember back in my initial hypermile training that a Yukon or similar truck stopped behind me at a light. Noticing a pair of 16-17 year olds in front I thought "Oh great".
After seeing this young man's mature, patient and courtious manner I've learned to hold my judgement, at least for a "we'll see".
All the others have made good suggestions for FE in traffic.
Some more suggestions is that if your battery has a good charge be sure to force autostop, don't just let it run while stopped or almost stopped.
If the traffic is the kind that moves 200 feet or more then stops again while on level ground I'll briefly restart, just to nudge it enough then shut down again and roll to the next stop. Once again your SOC can't be low as repeated restarts drops it lower.
Sitting on a downhill it is a unique opportunity as I'll shut it down and roll all the way down with traffic to the bottom. I have to take special caution with this technique as the brake power vacuume assist will depleat and the pedal will require more effort to stop. With that in mind I'll keep my Left foot ready to help if needed.
Efficient drivers do it better.
1003 miles a tank personal record. 74MPG calculated. HCH1 CVT
Last edited by Hot_Georgia_2004 : 08-01-2005 at 10:27 AM.
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08-01-2005, 08:42 PM
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Active Enthusiast
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Hybrids: 2004 Civic Hybrid CVT
Posts: 237
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Re: Maximizing FE in Traffic
When the car in front of you moves, don't immediately follow. Delay by a split second and start moving. With luck, he will start moving again by the time you reach him. This is the slow and go that they were talking about.
Make sure econ is on.
If you have a slow creep downhill, see if you can enter it with your engine off and just roll down in auto-stop mode.
Or the best solution, trade in for the new 2006 Civic which has EV only mode for low speed cruising :-)
Just kidding....
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Originally Posted by Hybrid_Jon
Any suggestions on maximizing FE while in stop-n-go?
It really brings my average down. The other day I was averaging 52 mpg over a 100 mile trip. Then I hit traffic and it went down to 42 mpg very quickly.
Thanks.
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