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Old 09-08-2005, 05:49 PM
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Default BAS what do you all think of it?

I'm far from an expert on the subject but it seems to me that Honda's hybrid efforts are slightly half hearted compared to Toyota's and that GM's BAS is even more half hearted than Honda's ideas. BAS would have impressed me if it came out before or at around the same time as the Insight. Seems like you could slap a BAS on just about anything pretty easy. I'm not at all saying that the BAS is bad, I think that the BAS is a great idea. I'm just not impressed with the late introduction in the face of better (IMO) efforts.

BTW

BAS = Belt Alternator Starter. The traditional alternator in the engine accesory drive is replaced by a combination alternator / starter / electric motor. It's primary functions are to

1. Restart the engine after it has been stopped at idle, like at a light.<<<
2. Provide power assist to the ICE under certain situations.<<<
3. Replenish battery storage.<<<

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Old 09-08-2005, 05:54 PM
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Default Re: BAS what do you all think of it?

BAS is better than nothing. From the rumblings it seems GM has something more planed for the future. We will have to wait and see what happens.

I think you nailed why GM's first step is BAS. Its easy to slap on to just about anything.

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: BAS what do you all think of it?

Hi Lakedude and Tbaleno:

___I agree that it will not help GM move the VUE into the “Gee honey, look at the FE of this Saturn” territory but oh how I would love to have BAS attached to my Accord or the Euro Accord (TSX) w/ the 2.2 L iCDTi. Even a straight up 06 Civic EX would do very nicely with one attached … If it is setup and programmed properly! It could offer better FE then a straight up hybrid but it really depends on GM’s execution, use of its capabilities, and on what GM uses it on in their lineup? I think they are going to “screw the pooch” myself because they do not know any better but that is just me talking after our informative discussion with Martinjlm over the last few days … I hope not but I am not holding my breathe either

___Good Luck

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Old 09-08-2005, 06:07 PM
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Default Re: BAS what do you all think of it?

As long as it gets into lots of their cars and sells well, then it's great. Otherwise it's merely a token effort in my eyes.
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: BAS what do you all think of it?

Its just a token effort. Just like most of what GM offers. Auto Spam. They have expereance with hybrids. Just look at there locomotives. They just are cheap ***'s and know most of the buying public are idiots... or think they are...lololol. Which is why there dealers are still open.

Toyota has the best system by far. But being stuck up and over priced and sales tatics the salt barons would have been proud of. I have no need to go to there dealers and be raped.

Honda's is much faster and still has good FE. I dont like the CVT nor the fact theres no rear disk brakes on a $20k car. Those last two facts alone may drive us to a civic coupe ex or back to a accord for our second car. But there wont be any Toys here from there thug dealers or GM.

Heres a link to GM's electro-motive division http://www.gmemd.com/en/home/
And they build junk like BAS and genral automotive spam. They have more knowlege and practical exp. with hybrid than any company on the face of the earth. And come up with BAS.

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Old 09-08-2005, 07:17 PM
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I think the GM so-called hybrid system is close to being *nothing*. Yeah, let's pay a $4,000 premium for a mini-van or truck that gets 1-4 MPG more than the standard model.

I truly believe GM is releasing this piece of crap design for the sole purpose of KILLING the hybrid movement. I can just hear it now: all the leadfoot soccer moms will be whining, "I spent all this extra money for a hybrid van, and it gets lousy mileage and breaks down all the time!"

And then there will be congressional investigations, lawsuits, and class action reparations. All part of the GM Master Plan.

After that... the coal-burning HUMMER H2/c...

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Old 09-08-2005, 07:45 PM
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Hi AshenGray:

___I think this killing off the hybrid movement is like closing the barn door after the horses have left. GM is in junk bond status now and Toyota is kicking them in the teeth. They can’t kill off anything right now other then themselves … Gas is simply to costly and H2’s will not provide the financial security they need to prosper. You know it and they know it too.

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Old 09-08-2005, 08:13 PM
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There is a lot of hostility to GM around here. Why ?

I dislike the company because they put marketing, lobbying and spin above actual product development, and are something of a symbol with what is wrong with obese, self-indulgent America -- but I'm sure my opinions are a distinct minority.

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Old 09-08-2005, 09:17 PM
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Default Re: BAS what do you all think of it?

Quote:
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but I'm sure my opinions are a distinct minority.
Not around here!
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Old 09-08-2005, 09:18 PM
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Default GM: Still Not a Hybrid Player

In 1980, GM had 50% of US sales. Now it is only 25% and declining. My father was a GM man - I'm a Honda man like a lot of younger people (unless they are Toyota). None of the top ten selling vehicles are GM. The mainstream media agrees with members here that poing out that GM tries to market, lobby..... anything except build a solid and fuel efficient car.

It's slow, but GM is dying. They no longer have the size to support the pensions and health benefits, plus they sorely need to build a good vehicle was mass appeal. The Oldsmobile was such a car, then they let it fade into history by the assult of Camerys and Accords - Buick and Pontiac will likely follow.

Gas prices will come down some, but I expect them to stabilize above $2.50 at least. This will shrink the sales of sub 20mpg vehciles that GM has depended on. Then GM will be faced with closing some big plants.

The outcome I'd prefer to see is GM embrasing the hybrid and trying to sell more Saturns than Suburbans. I'm afraid GM is going to still try to depend on trucks and SUVs to save them and bleed more, having to offshore some of their operations, closing MidWestern plants. Fearing that, I'm wondering if more American jobs would be saved if Toyota bought GM plants and overhauled their management. Hate to say this, I might even think at some point having the Chinese buy non-military GM plants would be better than what GM is doing now.

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