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Thats another good reason to have spare nukes, lol..

04' # 5, W/leather & JBL omitted.
"Prius, Just ask the person that drives one"
04' Tundra, 18mpg city & 22mpg hwy.
04' Prius, 60mpg city & 53mpg hwy.

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I think it will have to go pretty high, and stay high, before the major of people wake up. I for one spend about $100 a month on gas at $2.30 a gallon. If if the price doubles or triples, it won't take a huge bite out of my wallet. Don't get me wrong, I won't be happy and I will drive less, etc. But for most people that's just another 2 or 3 dinners out that they have to cut back on.

Support the Troops - Drive a Hybrid!

He really can't.

Those countries, or more correctly companies would then resell to the US and the ships would continue uninterupted to the US. If Chavez won't sell to those companies, he'll find he has nobody to buy that same oil, which will interrupt his cash flow. His actions will effect the price of oil globally, effecting all oil consumers not just in the US.

Thank you for including that point!

Stores like Walmart noticed that during the Katrina price spike, people just spents less...


Wouldn't be nice if we had a reserve of alternative fuels so we could take Chavez on his dare? That might be a bloodless coup.

61.5mpg lifetime - 82mpg in recent months

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"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

not funny.

my breaking point was $3, when i traded my CRV for my HCH, even though i often have to commute on snow. there are more days when it's better to have the HCH than it was to have the CRV, and the gas mileage is over twice as good.

most people just don't give a ****. i once heard several of them joking how it took $60 just to fill up the gas tank for their boat. i don't know what it's going to get to take them to wake up.

Best fill 66.7 MPG, best tank 801.5 miles


laurie, central minnesota

To All,

I think one of the biggest problems that people don't realize is there is no one replacement source of fuel. Right now the situation is analogized to computers where everyone runs Windows. Small minorities run Linux or Mac or Solaris. Now imagine Microsoft only has so many copies to sell (wouldn't that be nice). Computer use is ever growing. So the alternatives have to increase production. So, in the (not-too-distant) future, not every car will be powered in the same way. Some could be bio-diesel, some could be hybrids, others could be hydrogen.

Of course, the other aspect of that problem is that multiple infrastructures must be built to accomodate all of those car types. I try to remain confident that we can handle the complexity, but really (frighteningly - and I'm with the military) the easier thing to do is to just take everyone else's supply, whether they agree or not.

Politicians these days aren't thinking that far down the road. They, like the rest of us, are frogs in slowly boiling water. We want results now, and we place huge amounts of pressure on them. No sane politician would advocate conservation, because consumption is the basis of our economy. So that's the essence of our problem. To be successful, we must consume. However, finite resources (and soldiers fighting and dying) dictate conservation.

The big (possibly the hugest) question is how does the U.S. survive? I promise you (as a private citizen) that the war in Iraq isn't the last one we'll fight over oil. If politicians went to war in Iraq for the reasons it did, I believe they will use force in other occasions (when all you have is a hammer (military), you will tend to see all problems as nails (force). Will people stop being greedy, or will they continue buying 9mpg Hummers?

Last thing: US oil production has been declining for the last 25 years. That ought to tell everybody something. The oil industry is exploring ever more isolated places for less and less oil. Yet our consumption increases every year. For every barrel discovered, we consume five. We are running out. We need to find replacement(s) soon (and peacefully).

Regards,
Jim

I do hear a few people in person and on the radio swear we have the technology to keep oil under $2 a gallon - don't listen to the environmental wackos....the only thing worse than an energy shortfall is an intellectual shortfall.

61.5mpg lifetime - 82mpg in recent months

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"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

Once again in the Quest to be humorus "PriusGuy04'" goes too far!

I have a brother in-law that drove a Dodge V-10 pickup from Clermont Fl to Bryan Tx, he stopped 7 times at $75.00 a stop one way he then repeated the trip back... (insane) thats $525.00 + $525.00 = $1050.00 !

I told him I would have gotten rid of the truck in texas lol

04' # 5, W/leather & JBL omitted.
"Prius, Just ask the person that drives one"
04' Tundra, 18mpg city & 22mpg hwy.
04' Prius, 60mpg city & 53mpg hwy.

Kenstyle NHW20 AERO Kit

No sweat PriusGuy04. I'm sure it even happens to Rowan Atkinson sometimes... ;-)

BTW, did you know that he (Atkinson, not PriusGuy) holds a masters degree in Electrical Engineering? From EE to Mr. Bean, makes you wonder...

Kettleone, you are a rarity, I'm afraid. And I must say I'm very impressed and applaud you!! I currently drive my HCH 25 miles each way (50 per day) and I'm sick of it. I plan to move in the next year.

Unfortunately, I think the whole situation is about more than gas prices. Here in California, you can't discount the housing market as part of the problem. Here's one of my theories why people will still drive whatever they want when gas it very expensive:
It's too expensive for most people to live close to where they work, so they move to where the homes are cheaper, which is farther away, so they have to drive more. Then they're on the road more, and the common perception is that SUVs and bigger vehicle are safer (very wrong perception, but very persistant), and they want to be safer when they're on the road all the time, so they stick to the bigger cars. That and they think they need it to carry all the stuff for their big families, and they can have big families because the houses in the suburbs are big.... never mind that no one's home to enjoy the large house because they have to commute all the time.... oh dear, someone got me started...

I also have to say that whenever anyone brings up alternative fuel in general and hydrogen in particular that they say we have to have the infrastructure... what we really need is DE-centralized fuel networks. Neighborhood and personal sources of hydrogen, from solar powered electlolizers. Hydrogen is everywhere, and can be "made" anywhere; why would we have to pipe it and truck it around? Oh yeah, because the fuel companies still have control over everything....

May I recommend Jeremy Rifkin's Hydrogen Economy for a very interesting read, and alternative vehicle shows for an interesting day's outing! The technology is available (granted it CAN be improved upon...). You can buy a personal electrolizer now, and there are storage systems that are safe (attach the molecule to metal)... now we just need the vehicles at a reasonable price!

--A