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Old 03-06-2006, 04:59 PM
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I was over in Baghdad in 2004 and received nearly deadly wounds from a bomb. Myself and about 150,000 others are/were there to ensure cheap gas for Americans. I would love for all of us to completely rid ourselves of Middle East oil.
Actually you were there to prop up the US dollar by keeping it the sole currency for oil purchases and sales. Saddam's only "crime," as far as the US govt. was concerned, was accepting only euros in payment for the oil he was allowed to sell. Click here for confirmation. That's also why the Yankee Empire is now threatening Iran -- that country is preparing to open a euro-denominated international oil exchange. If the euro or any other currency gains traction as a means of buying/selling oil, the dollar will collapse and America's borrow-and-spend orgy will come to a screeching halt.

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I think we must be near peak oil if a couple of hurricaines raised our gas prices by almost double.
Katrina took out a bunch of offshore oil wells and several refineries. All the oil in the world is useless if you can't refine it into gasoline, heating oil, motor oil, etc. And no new refinery has been built in America in ~30 years!

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Old 03-06-2006, 05:22 PM
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Oh man, thats one thing hybrid websites could do without...crazy conspiracy theories. Prisonplanet is a joke but hey if you want to subscribe to get their members only benefits and buy things off the store on their webpage then by all means go ahead and make alex jones rich. In Iraq to ensure cheap gas, no one with even quasi common sense can take a statement like that serious, all they have to do is look on a timeline at gas prices. Saddam's "only crime" was trying to use euros, riiiight.... I'll believe that when me s*** turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.
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Old 03-06-2006, 06:15 PM
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I plan to get an electrolyzer for my house someday, and run it off of solar power.
Solar electricity costs about 30 cents/Kw/h. The prices are falling, but not much. A few percent per year. It probably won't be cost effective within our lifetime. Once you factor in the electoyzer, high pressure hydrogen storage tank, etc you are talking about hundreds of dollars per fill-up.
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Old 03-06-2006, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: Critical Mass Gas Prices

People rarely talk about nuclear power as an option. It is really, truly, the best option out there, and FOR SURE the only solution that is better than petroleum.

Why? It's all about energy density folks. How much energy can you get out of a pound of "whatever"?

Pound per pound, you can't beat gasoline. It's a fantastic fuel. That's why we will be wise to make it last as long as possible.

Solar is a joke. The Max. Power from solar... the physical limit, based on how bright the sun is, is about 1500 watts per square meter of surface area.
So if your car's roof were COVERED with solar cells, the most you could get...EVER is 4 horsepower.

Now, as soon as the general public is ok with driving 4 Horsepower vehicles, solar becomes possible. ( still won't work at night, cloudy days, etc. )
This will also make pure battery PEV's very possible also.

Hydrogen is great, you have an unlimited source, and it is the most common element in the universe, but you need electricity to break it down. That's where nuclear will come into play down the road. It's very cheap, very clean, and very safe, and can be made as safe as you want, if the price is right.

A few tons ( One boxcar ) of nuclear fuel will fuel an entire city for 25 years.

Having a nuclear power plant in your backyard is safer than drving 5 miles to work every day. Do you freak out about the dangers of driving every day?

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Old 03-06-2006, 06:25 PM
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Solar is a joke. The Max. Power from solar... the physical limit, based on how bright the sun is, is about 1500 watts per square meter of surface area.
Right. And current solar technology is only slightly higher than 10% efficient.
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Old 03-07-2006, 05:17 AM
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So cover the roof of your house in PV panels and charge your PHEV with them

Most PV panels are around 15% efficient. SunPower has a 20% efficient cell right now. Triple junction PV cells are around 35% or so and will be used in the Sunball PV concentrator appliance.

Solar is more than viable if you apply the technology correctly.

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Old 03-08-2006, 05:11 AM
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I don't see nuclear powered *cars* anytime soon, but I agree that our country should generate more of its *residential* power from nuclear fission.

When you burn a conventional fuel, you're breaking the electron bonds in the molecules. The electromagnetic force is the 2nd most powerful of the Four Fundamental Forces (gravity, nuclear-weak, electromagnetic, and nuclear-strong).

Nuclear fission breaks the nuclear-strong binding that pairs protons and neutrons together in in atomic nucleus. Breaking a stronger force releases more energy -- a LOT more energy.

Of course, in the *very* long term, our country will run out of fissionables too. But hopefully by then we'll have fusion or zero-point energy reactors!

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Old 03-08-2006, 05:23 AM
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zero-point energy reactors!
You've been watching way too much Stargate SG-1/Atlantis

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You've been watching way too much Stargate SG-1/Atlantis

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Of course, SG1 did get the zero-point energy concept from a real theory in physics. They just extrapolated what such a device could do.

The great thing about sci-fi (and Star Trek in particular) is that the fantastic things in those shows actually end up getting *built*.

-- We've got compact flip phones (aka Communicators)
-- We've got computers that can do voice recognition and can scan retinas or thumb prints.
-- We've got handheld computers that accept handwriting (like the Star Trek data pads).
-- Antimatter is already being used for nuclear medicine (PET scans).

So I'm sure we'll be able to have cheap, guilt-free energy someday. If a sci-fi writer concieves it, some clever physist or engineer will eventually figure out how to build it. But hey, I'm an optimist!

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Old 03-08-2006, 06:40 AM
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Default Star Trek Would be a Great Off Topic

There was a book a few years ago, The Physics of Star Trek, detailing what technologies on the show might ever happen. Most of it could happen, although faster-than-light travel will take several quantium leaps in technology, and holodecks will not have real things in them. The book comes very close to saying transporters for humans and large cargo is very nearly impossible.

That would be a very interesting off-topic thread: "What if we had a global Network of Transporters Instead of Highways?".

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