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View Poll Results: Do You Get Better Fuel Economy Just After a Rain?
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Old 07-09-2005, 06:44 PM
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Schwa,
you bring up a good point about the cooling power of water when put into the combustion equation. This could be very useful in lean burn situations were the large amounts of Nox are produced due to the high heat, plus maybe a power gain from it?
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Humidity reduces the power potential of air. Any time the air the vehicle takes in has less power potential, the detonation potential goes down as well. The problem is that although the power potential goes down, the air density is still the same. It should result in a net decrease in efficiency.

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Schwa,
you bring up a good point about the cooling power of water when put into the combustion equation. This could be very useful in lean burn situations were the large amounts of Nox are produced due to the high heat, plus maybe a power gain from it?
There is another problem with superheating steam though... It has a tendency to react with steel, essentially causing it to burn. It's a rapid oxidation and this effect reduces the thermal efficiency of power plants because of the reduction in maximum temperature possible in order to avoid disintegration of the steel components (pipes etc) in the system. I saw a demonstration of this effect performed in a lab using ordinary steam the steel wool was unaffected, but super-heating the steam with a burner heating the tube the steam was coming out of would cause the steel wool to glow and 'burn' rapidly when exposed to this high temperature gas.

That's why I say the whole engine would need to be re-designed in order to avoid damage of this kind if it were to use water in the combustion process. I would imagine this is the same reason why water injectors were never standard equipment on carburetor based vehicles, they probably tried it and discovered excessive premature wear on important components such as the piston rings and exhaust valves. Third party equipment manufacturers would not have been so concerned with this problem since their goal was just to sell the product, unrelated to the long term side-effects the engine would experience.
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Looks like they are working on using water injection to reduce NOx after all!
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005...of_contin.html
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Vancouver-based Rival Technologies is working to adapt Continuous Water Injection (CWI) technology to retrofit light- and medium-duty diesel engines for reduced NOx emissions. The company is installing a prototype system on a Dodge Ram pickup truck with a 5.9-liter in-line six cylinder, 24 valve, turbocharged Cummins diesel engine.


The prototype will be operational this month. Ongoing testing and adjustments are estimated to be completed in May, 2005.


Rival acquired its CWI technology from M.A. Turbo/Engine, which had originally developed it for use in large marine diesels (e.g., a ferry).


CWI systems work on the principle of reducing NOx formation by injecting measured amounts of water to reduce peak flame temperature. This is related to the new EPA Clean Diesel Combustion engine (earlier post) in concept—i.e., reduce combustion temperature to reduce NOx formation—but it clearly uses a different approach.


Test and trials of different CWI systems on stationary diesels and marine engines point to a reduction in NOx of approximately 30%, with some wide variation. Engine power and fuel efficiency seem basically unaffected, with some positive increases noted in some of the tests.
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