Lowest-price civic - $15-16,000. Hybrid civic = $20-21,000. I see a $4-5-6000 price difference. How do you get $2000???
Resale value? Why would you want to sell it??? Keep my cars 'til they're worth $500 (junk).
Why are you comparing the car to the lowest priced civic? It's any but that. It's closer in value to the EX... and there isn't a 5k difference between the ex and the hch.
Yes I can. I'm the buyer & can set the terms I wish. Have no interest in luxury. Luxury = Not For Me. My goal's saving money not buying doo-dads & knick-knacks-- So I buy cars stripped and would have bought a $15,000 base-model civic.
The Op asked for opinion. This is mine. Sorry you don't like it.
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Ok... but you do see that your logic is flawed? If car A and B be were identical, except for some hybrid technology... then you are comparing apples to apples (which is not the case between a base civic & hch). When car A and B are not identical (ignore that car B has hybrid tech), then you are now comparing apples to oranges (which is the case here). So you can do what you want but your claim is wrong.
If you goal is to save money, why are you even buying new then? Also, a base civic doesn't have A/C. So have fun sweating to death on a hot summer day.
Seems that one issue raised by this discussion is that you *can't* get a hybrid in the configuration that kevin_psx would prefer, i.e., a "stripper", without all the fancy doo-dads, A/C (yes, some people really don't want or need it), cruise, etc. So for someone who wants a vehicle like that, there really ISN'T an "apples to apples" comparison available. Some of the actual cost of the available hybrid vehicles is attributable to the "features" that kevin_psx just doesn't want or need, and that he wouldn't have to pay for if he got a non-hybrid that is available in that configuration.
So yes, he is comparing apples to oranges, but if no apples are available and your only choice is an orange or a banana, one of the factors you have to consider is that, to get a hybrid, you will *have* to pay for stuff you don't want. Like I had to pay for lots of options on my Prius I didn't want, to get the VSC - I couldn't compare the added cost of VSC alone, to determine whether it was "worth it" to get it, I had to weigh the cost of the whole package against the added benefit *I* would get from that package.
Last edited by sweetbeet; 02-02-2006 at 09:07 AM.
Reason: typo/clarity
I know my hybrid has a lower cost of ownership and I don't just mean at the pump. For example:
No emissions Tests ever
Less Oil changes
And a bonus for me, I get money back for driving on the job. In my car, that's like an additional paycheck!
Figured I could mention more too.
I was considering a 2005 civic but I'd get the EX, so similar pricing. With my deduction and state credit, I'm paying less there too. All I have to do is sacrifice a little speed (Honestly, that's the part that is killing me. I'm still thinking about trading in my hybrid 05 and buying an 06 EX, and I could probably still get the credit, plus my car is still valued at about what I owe on it, so it would be like starting a new loan)
The title of this thread "a lower cost of ownership?" begs to define lower cost compared to what? And under what circumstances?
In my own circumstance I plan to drive mine for hundreds of thousands of miles over 10 years...If I were to compare this to the $17K Civic EX it definetly does have a lower cost of ownership.
I drive almost 100 miles/day and erased the premium within the first year.
On the other hand a city dweller who drives 5 miles/day and trades in every two years would never have the savings.
In all cases a hybrid is not the lowest dollar for mile car available. There's still a few bare-bones cars out there for around $10K.
But that's only if one is in the market for a no-frills base model.
Efficient drivers do it better. 1003 miles a tank personal record. 74MPG calculated. HCH1 CVT
Today I keep on mentioning these Rolling Stones' tunes - and they are performing at the Super Bowl halftime because they are safer than Janet Jackson.
About 80% in yesterday's poll suggested they will drive their hybrid at least 100,000 miles, and the price of gasoline keeps going up. The dashboard could be on any vehicle, but if you use it to improve your fuel economy, the wear-and-tear will be less. After 93,500 miles, only the tires and 12-volt batter have needed replacement.
Seems that one issue raised by this discussion is that you *can't* get a hybrid in the configuration that kevin_psx would prefer, i.e., a "stripper", without all the fancy doo-dads, A/C (yes, some people really don't want or need it), cruise, etc. So for someone who wants a vehicle like that, there really ISN'T an "apples to apples" comparison available. Some of the actual cost of the available hybrid vehicles is attributable to the "features" that kevin_psx just doesn't want or need, and that he wouldn't have to pay for if he got a non-hybrid that is available in that configuration.
So yes, he is comparing apples to oranges, but if no apples are available and your only choice is an orange or a banana, one of the factors you have to consider is that, to get a hybrid, you will *have* to pay for stuff you don't want. Like I had to pay for lots of options on my Prius I didn't want, to get the VSC - I couldn't compare the added cost of VSC alone, to determine whether it was "worth it" to get it, I had to weigh the cost of the whole package against the added benefit *I* would get from that package.
I agree with her! I had a cpl of items removed from my #5 to drop the cost.
I wanted a #1 $21,800 (base model) 2-month wait. Opted for the #5 had it in 2 wks.
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But to the guys statment below: Skip past that and I have an answer to his needs!!!
I'm the buyer & can set the terms I wish. Have no interest in luxury. Luxury = Not For Me. My goal's saving money not buying doo-dads & knick-knacks-- So I buy cars stripped and would have bought a $15,000 base-model civic.
Look I found a bare bones car, ok ok it has air but LOOK at the Price!
Suzuki Aerio Sedan
Base Price:$13,999.00 Freight:$580.00 Options:$0.00 Accessories:$0.00 Specials:$0.00Total:$14,579.00
FuelFuel Tank Capacity: 13.2 gal. EPA Mileage Estimates: (City/Highway) Automatic: : 25 mpg / 31 mpg Range in Miles: (City/Highway) Automatic: 330 mi. / 409.2 mi.
And a little boob never hurt anyone..
04' # 5, W/leather & JBL omitted. "Prius, Just ask the person that drives one" 04' Tundra, 18mpg city & 22mpg hwy. 04' Prius, 60mpg city & 53mpg hwy.
Kenstyle NHW20 AERO Kit
Last edited by PriusGuy04; 02-02-2006 at 06:12 PM.
Re: Does a hybrid = a lower cost of ownership?
Keep my cars 'til they're worth $500 (junk).
1003 miles a tank personal record. 74MPG calculated. HCH1 CVT
Time is On My Side
