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Old 02-01-2005, 10:30 AM
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Hi Iboomalot:

___I cannot put it any more simply then your 03 Jetta receives a big fat 0 on the emissions front according to the EPA. You can look up your own NOx, PM, HC, CO, and CO2 releases as I do not have them but I have seen much cleaner diesels then yours and they aren’t even close to ULEV-II specs. Maybe you aren’t getting it? The best that the EPA has going is the CDC and it cannot even meet Tier II Bin 5 specs in the city portion of their own test. Your TDI is about 2 orders of magnitude behind the CDC let alone any DPF equipped Euro IV based diesel out of Europe.

___If you want low emissions and high FE, you either change your driving habits in a ULEV on up or you buy a ULEV on up hybrid. The HCH’s emission HW is different depending on which state you live in. If you want a clean one, you purchase it from a clean state is all. Unfortunately, your Jetta doesn’t even qualify to be sold in parts of the US given its lack of emissions controls.

___Good Luck

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Old 02-01-2005, 10:39 AM
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my jetta passed 2002 cali emission codes so its not that dirty

for now I agree my diesel isn't the best and main reason your Insight and others do so much better is three fold. 1. smaller engines 2. electric assist 3. use of highend CATS.

in a short amount of time BIO will be more wide spread and the use of CATS will greatly improve the diesel.

I do get it I just don't make it out that my tiny little VW is killing everyone. Iam sure a lawn mover puts out more emissions % wise but I bet it puts out less than your Insight lb vs lb of emission gasses.

I would buy a Prius today if the car wasn't so pricey and resell value so low. Its large enough to hold my family of 5 and gets killer MPG.
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Old 02-01-2005, 11:46 AM
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I would buy a Prius today if the car wasn't so pricey and resell value so low. Its large enough to hold my family of 5 and gets killer MPG.
Then I suggest you go buy a Prius today, if "resale value problems" are holding you back.

Prius resale is not low. 2001 Priuses, the oldest ones on the books in the USA, are still holding 60-70% of their original MSRP, comparable to (and better than most) 2001 cars on the market.

Prius 2004/2005 are now a lot more readily available because Toyota has ramped up production. I live in Phoenix, and I have seen more Prius ads in recent days than ever. One dealership had two used 2004 cars on the lot recently.
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Old 02-01-2005, 03:57 PM
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well lets see 27,800 new

3yrs 54,000 miles = 12,500 according to dealer


13,900 2002 just sold for and had 20,000 miles
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You seem to be missing the point that all cars loose value the moment you drive them off the lot, not just hybrids.

Googling around the web I found several 2002 Jetta TDI's asking price is around $7,000. Base MSRP in 2002 was about $17,000. All were "Excellent".
Also found these 2002 TDI specs:
Engine Specs: 2.0L I-4 115HP
Transmission: 5-spd man w/OD
Fuel Economy City: 24.0 mpg
Fuel Economy Highway: 31.0 mpg

I bought my 2001 Grand Caravan new for about $28,000 and the estimated value today with 45K miles is about $16,000.
I'm not even going to post the specs on that pig.

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Old 02-01-2005, 09:46 PM
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you dont compare a second generation prius to a first generation prius. secondly you dont compare a second generation prius with ALL THE OPTIONS PLUS MARKUP to a first generation prius. The old Prius was 20k new.

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Old 02-02-2005, 11:36 AM
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you dont compare a second generation prius to a first generation prius. secondly you dont compare a second generation prius with ALL THE OPTIONS PLUS MARKUP to a first generation prius. The old Prius was 20k new.

point taken but straight from Toyota and leasing a brand new 2005 pkg #6 = 12,500 resid and a lease cost of 21,700.00

thats todays facts based on current cars and info from a large dealer in Dallas texas.
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Old 02-02-2005, 04:06 PM
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I would buy a Prius today if the car wasn't so pricey and resell value so low. Its large enough to hold my family of 5 and gets killer MPG.
If people depreciated vehicles as a business would depreciate a vehicle then resale values would not be an issue. If a company depreciates a vehicle in 3 years, they are assuming that the vehicle has no more value left by the end of 3 years. So, if you let go of a vehicle after it is fully depreciated and you walk away with money in your hand you are always a winner. Of course, managerial accounting is always a game of what if, and what do you want to see out of a situation.

But most folks don't run a depreciation account on their vehicles. So, that means they then judge the financial position of a vehicle by resale value, which is a totally false way to value a consumable item. A consumable item is only totally useful and provides 100% value to the user if the item is fully consumed (or in the case of depreciation, a period of time has elapsed in the term of ownership and a financial adjustment has been made to the bottom line to indicate that the item has no residule monetary value). Since vehicles are not an investment, but a capital outlay and vehicles have a limited lifespan, which is not definite and varys from user to user, resale value is an incorrect way to value a vehicle, or even determine what to purchase. I work in an environment where some people trade cars frequently. Those cars are not fully consumed. They are trading off vehicles which have many more years and miles of life in them, usually just so they can have something newer. I have yet to see a trade which was justified by a change in family or other status. Very monetarily foolish. These folks are being beaten by depreciation. However, the folks which buy and drive a car until it drops are the ones where depreciation has no effect.

I did not trade my old car when I purchased the Prius. Why? Because it still runs, has basicaly no trade-in value, has limited private sale value and is more valuable to me in my driveway as a second car, and winter beater than it would as cash in my pocket. It is costing me nothing, aside from oil changes, and incremental insurance cost, and minor maintenance to keep it in my driveway and prevents me from having to make the Prius my primary car and subject it to yucky winter weather. There have been times this winter where the weather was so bad that I didn't drive the Prius for over a week. Good for the Prius, good for my peace of mind.

My advice to everyone is to never trade-in a vehicle. Purchase new and drive till they drop. If you want a new car down the road, use your savings to purchase one, keep the old one around and split your driving between the two. By spliting mileage you increase the life of both vehicles and you always have a beater laying around to use when weather is bad or otherwise.

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Old 02-03-2005, 05:34 PM
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i'm sorry i didn't understand what iboomalot meant or what his point was

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