Did you know, that:

In an average hybrid, you carry about 500 pounds of batteries and other equipment?

-quite a lot of material which goes to waste (how about the energy needed to produce it?)

If you go the same speed, in the same car on the same road with 500 pounds of load - what do you think which car has a better mileage? Hybrid or classic?
Yes of course the classic one!
The only advantage of hybrids is when you actually stop (or move very slowly in a trafic jam).

Do you know that the hybrids having a very good mileage are very lazy and have a very small engines compared to the same models?

Lets do some calculation.

Lets say there will be a milion hybrid (there is not at the moment) cars with an average of 5 mpg (in reality its even less) more than comparable classic car - it means these cars will save up to a 100 galons of gas a year per car on average . (its no more than 400 USD, which will never pay for the extra money for 500 pounds of batteries, but lets put that aside for the moment)

In total its 100 000 000 galons a year in fuel. Lets say that 1 galon of fuel in an oil power plant produces 20 KWh of electrical energy (actually its less). Its 2 000 000 000 KWh a year saved. SO because a year is 8760 hours - lets say only 8000 h - we get 250 MW

What do you say, that all hybrids in the USA do not save more than a 1/4 of 1 nuclear power plant block. 1 average nuclear power plant has an electic output of 4 000 MW - thats like 16 milion hybrids.
16 mil hybrids - thats 4 milion tons of batteries and other equipment to produce and liquidate.

I have just one logical conclusion - hybrids are a colossal hype.

There is still about 10% of energy produced in oil power plants in the usa. Thats a lot of nuclear power plants.

John

You must be the Wiley E Coyte of trolls.

No links whatsoever to support your assertions. Hardly any hybrid or EV is carrying lithium-ion batteries, or for that matter more than 100 pounds of batteries on hybrids, yet you talk about about hybrids having a 500-pound lithium battery pack commonplace?

I could go on, but you ignorance in posting this bait in the middle of the night is a joke.

Go back to Trolling 101 and pass the course.

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No matter how you cut it I'm getting over 50MPG average. Show me a "Classic car" that can do that!

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I know you don't know about hybrids.
Toyota itself sold more than one million hybrids.
http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/07/0607.html

Ken@Japan

Lots of cars get 45 MPG and they get better acceleration. Unfortunately they in their majority are sold in Europe and they ran on diesel. But you can find cars getting 40 here.

You all unfortunately did not get my point. I based my calculation on 20% fuel saving - which is an average for hybrids. But thats not the point. Even if it was 40% (which is not) we are still talking abou 500 MW (less then one block in a powerplant)

Retake Trolling 101 - you flunked it.

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Ok, sorry, I was talking about more advanced Hybrids, so I corrected my mistake. As you might know, NIMH batteries are even heavier than Lion. In the future generations all hybrids will have lion but still will carry about 500 pounds of batteries and other equipment. (I do not think you want your mobile with NIMH battery, because of its memory effect)

Lets compare very popular hybrid Honda Civic

Hybrid:
Engine - 1.3 L, Curb weigh - 2875 lbs, Horsepower 93Hp@6000, torque 89@4500, acceleration - nobody tells :-)
Classic:
Engine - 1.8l, Curb weight -2586 lbs Horsepower 140@6300, torque 128@4300
Heavier engine - DUH (50% more power so based on basic laws 50% less MPG)

Lets take another one

Toyota Camry (more of a car)
Hybrid:
Engine - 2.4l, Curb weight - 3680 lbs, 147Hp@6000, 138@4400
Classic:
Engine - 2.4l, Curb weight - 3263 lbs, 158Hp@6000, 161@4000

DUH (but sorry if it was the point you were right, its only 417 lbs :-)))) Still much better engine

And we could go on and on (ford escape is my favorit in this matter)

Toyota did not sell more than a milion hybrids in the US, but again thats not the point :-))

You are the only one that has said that.

That's all you've got?

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