It's pretty clear that you don't know anything about hybrids, but your nuke plant numbers are outright hysterical. The very largest reactors operate on the order of ~1100-1200MWe, not 4,000MWe. They get pretty close to 4,000MW thermal but most of that energy ends up dumped one way or another. Now, Palo Verde's 3 units generate roughly 3,800MWe combined but that plant is far larger than average.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/nuclear...ors/nuke1.html

Actually my graphs have to do with a 3,000 lb car measuring the minimum amount of energy needed to sustain the maximum range speed, 18 miles per hour. They have nothing to do with towing.

As for hybrid towing vehicles, between GM's 2-mode, hybrid transmission and Peterbilt trucks as well as Mitsubishi, we should see hybrid electric trucks and heavy equipment soon:

http://www.peterbilt.com/index_new_mor.asp?file=2100
http://www.truck.eaton.com/news_05.htm
http://www.mitfuso.com/pages/news-hevconcept.html

Today they are prototypes and test vehicles but $3+ gas makes the economics compelling.

Bob Wilson

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Here is another graph to consider. It is from an 02 prius I believe:



Apparently the extra weight doesn't hurt "that" much. *snicker*. Oh, and this isn't anything spectacular for people that try to get better mileage. It is only spectacular for those who chose to drive poorly. And by poorly I mean talking on the cell phone, racing around cars at speeds exceeding the speed limit and hitting the brakes at the last minute for stop signs. Sometimes doing these all at the same time.

If people would stop for a second, take a deep breath, buy an efficient car, and think about driving while they are actually behind the wheel, depending on the commute anyone could do this.

As a side note:
I am glad GreenHybrid has decided to start thinking about hypermiling. It has been a lot of work for those of us that were forced to start another site http://www.cleanmpg.com in order to discuss a topic that we were previously discouraged from talking about here. Hopefully we can now discuss driving to get better mileage on this site and help the members of GreenHybrid get the mileage they deserve out of their cars.

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You ever notice how hard it is to lip read cartoon characters?
"Crazy is what the sane call Delta Flyer"

Bob. It will be interesting to see what the 2-mode does once they get it downsized into a passenger car. It looks promising and is not very complex which means better reliability.

GO GM and friends. You guys can do it. Give us an American hybrid!

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You ever notice how hard it is to lip read cartoon characters?
"Crazy is what the sane call Delta Flyer"

Funny.

At the beginning of your page is this sentence "Note: Many power plants have more than one reactor."

One thing is clear to me. You can not read what is written.

I have never said that 1 reactor has 4 GW. I was talking about 4 reactors per power plant which gives you 4 GW. And maybe for you i need to emphasize, that we are probably not going to be able to go back 40 years and build again smaler reactors (the problem was not to build a big reactor, but to build big turbine above 400 MW) Today thanks to computers and progress in technology, the average for a NEW turbine will be my 1 GW. And if you calculate the economics, the best way is to build 4 blocs (reactors+ turbines) per plant. Thats what is being done around the world and hopefully in a short time in US as well. The only problem is the cooling, but thats too difficult for ya.

And as to your invective "It's pretty clear that you don't know anything about hybrids" I have one question.
What facts are supporting your hypothesis? Is it a fact, that you can drive your car at 70 MPG?
Ok, I can my non-hybrid too (so I can do actually much better, then I first mentioned that hybrids (if you compare apples to apples) on average get 20% more MPG)

ok, i will answer. yes, right now i am driving my civic hybrid at 69.2MPG, and have done so before.

since the EPA average for this vehicle is 45, i would say that's more than 20%.

and you are driving your car 20% better than what?

and let's ask this question? why in the heck did you post on here, and why haven't we locked this thread?

Best fill 66.7 MPG, best tank 801.5 miles


laurie, central minnesota

Probably because other people have the power. The people, who are not afraid of a different opinion and who at the first sign of having not enough facts do not start screaming shut up and taking administrative measures to prevent such opinion from appearing. And do you know who is an expert for that? Go to Belarus or North Korea and ask.

I guess nobody forces you to read and participate in this.

Johny,

Your position on nuclear power being a possible solution for power and clean air may be controversial, but your good facts on the subject give those of us looking at the alternatives something to think about.

However, you are undermining your case by your harsh responses to your own critics. Claiming that the pursuit of hybrid cars or solar and wind power are a waste of time because of nuclear, is an opinion that no amount of ‘facts’ about nuclear can change. Telling folks they don’t know the facts about the cars they drive because you know about nuclear power and have degrees doesn’t work because they are not the same topic. I would never tell someone who works at a Nuclear Power plant that I know more facts about their plant just because I drive a hybrid and have a college degree.

Equating those who disagree to communist dictatorships is over the line.

The truth is, helping find a solution to our countries’ power woes will require all the red and blue states to become the red, white and blue United States again. I believe in what our country stands for. I believe in the freedom we are trying to bring to Iraq. I ultimately believe its God who holds our future in his hand. How can I ever hope these folks will listen to my views if I can’t consider theirs?

Hybrid cars are not the enemy. Hybrids are an important stepping-stone to bringing folks around to alternatives. If folks can accept hybrids now, they may accept an all-electric car latter. If they accept an all-electric latter, we all will need more electricity. If we need more electricity, we will need more ways of producing it. Nuclear may be an answer.

It doesn’t hurt to take a hybrid for a test drive.

Pfft. Show me an AWD Ford Escape that gets 40+ MPGs that's not a hybrid. Considering that the EPA for the non-hybrid version is 19 MPG, I got 200% of that, not 20%, you're off by a factor of 10. Yes, my lifetime average is lower than that, but even that is 173% of the "Classic" Escapes EPA MPG. Additionally, I'd race any "Classic" Escape owner any day of the week in a 0 - 40 miles per hour race, where I would smoke them.

Johny, you avoid any such questions or posts that seem to illustrate that your knowledge of hybrids is incredibly insufficient. I had left this thread open to show that GH doesn't immediately lock down any threads filled with controversy or obtuse inaccuracy, and instead allow for people to enlighten, educate, and tolerate opposing viewpoints. You clearly don't want to learn and believe you already know all there is to know, and other members are trying to say otherwise, leading into an arguement with a wall syndrome.

However, despite that patience, we are not endlessly tolerant. You've had your chance and it's over. Should anyone wish to discuss the Nuclear Power question, there's the forum, Anything Goes where you can feel free to discuss the issue. I had hoped that our members, especially those who called for the thread to be closed, would have shown that by not posting in this thread and allowing it to die out, or reporting it to the mod staff instead of posting in said disputed thread. Remember, the best way to let a topic die isn't to close it, it's to let the conversation run it's course and die off on its own. Joining a thread 10 pages in with your first post on the subject shows that there's still more to say and it should be left open, not closed and forgotten.

Since that's not likely to happen on its own, this discussion is now over.

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