Finally,
Hybrids are not that efficient for long highway drives.
Thanks again
hmmmmmm....let's put this out. i drive 80 miles a day to commute, and it's 95% highway. i drive a 2005 civic hybrid, currently rate by the EPA at 45MPG. my summer average is just about 60MPG. and that's not effficicent........scuse me while i go find my dictionary.
you have said in several posts "but that's not the point." what IS the point?
...or for that matter more than 100 pounds of batteries on hybrids,....Meep-Meep!
Hmm i just looked into this matter. Here are some numbers:
The best NIMH batteries have 66 mAh/g ratio. So 100 lbs is approx. 3KAh. This amount of the best NIMH batteries gives you 3,6KWh. It would give you up to 5 Hp per hour, or 30 Hp for 10 minutes. It would be really helpful
I think you can see, who is wrong. You need much more energy stored to have viable hybrid.
My 2000 Honda Insight is "only" averaging 70mpg over the past two years - 80mpg or better on morning work commutes in weather above 65F....yes I wish the batteries were more powerful...my car might get a hernia - they weigh 50 pounds!!!
Unfortunately I was attacked that i do not compare apples with apples.
Could you honestly say, that hybrids have the same power and acceleration as the same models non hybrid?
Unless you compare the same power, same acceleration, same torque, same driving, same road, same traffic conditions etc., your calculation of the MPG is off.
P.S:
its not a problem to put a motorcycle engine in a car and state it gets 80 MPG. You can do that with almost any car. Trouble would be, that not everybody would be satisfied with such car and its performance. Thanks God for a free market.
Hybrid:
Engine - 1.3 L, Curb weigh - 2875 lbs, Horsepower 93Hp@6000, torque 89@4500, acceleration - nobody tells :-)
Classic:
Engine - 1.8l, Curb weight -2586 lbs Horsepower 140@6300, torque 128@4300
Heavier engine - DUH (50% more power so based on basic laws 50% less MPG)
Even his so-called "facts" are wrong.
Right from Honda's website:
Hybrid - Curb weight - 2875, Horesepower 110@6000, Torque 123@1000-2500
Classic - Curb weight - 2628 (for the low end manual model - high end is 2807 for an automatic), (hp & torque are correct)
That's only a 247lb difference you dolt - if you're comparing an automatic (hybrid) to a manual (classic) which you really shouldn't !! In reality it's only a 68lb difference.
And torque matters more than horsepower, and they're almost identical.
Now I don't trust any of the "facts" he's quoting.
Typical........
Last edited by chesterakl; 06-07-2007 at 01:55 PM.
Unfortunately I was attacked that i do not compare apples with apples.
Could you honestly say, that hybrids have the same power and acceleration as the same models non hybrid?
Unless you compare the same power, same acceleration, same torque, same driving, same road, same traffic conditions etc., your calculation of the MPG is off.
its not a problem to put a motorcycle engine in a car and state it gets 80 MPG. You can do that with almost any car. Trouble would be, that not everybody would be satisfied with such car and its performance. Thanks God for a free market.
Let's add that the 5-speed 2000 Insight is essentaly a hybrid version of the 1988 CRX HF I had before - it got 60 - maybe 65 under the same circumstances. While it had a 1500cc engine - not a 995cc, it's max speed was only 95mpg. The Insight goes 113mph. Both weigh 1900 pounds.
As Jack Nicholson might say, you can't handle the truth.
Even his so-called "facts" are wrong.
Right from Honda's website:
Hybrid - Curb weight - 2875, Horesepower 110@6000, Torque 123@1000-2500
Classic - Curb weight - 2628 (for the low end manual model - high end is 2807 for an automatic), (hp & torque are correct)
That's only a 247lb difference you dolt - if you're comparing an automatic (hybrid) to a manual (classic) which you really shouldn't !! In reality it's only a 68lb difference.
And torque matters more than horsepower, and they're almost identical.
Now I don't trust any of the "facts" he's quoting.
Typical........
You can believe what you want.
I took these facts from www.cars.com for 2007 model. Honda web page does not state the curb weight. Maybe they changed the lazy engine for a better one (it would probably change the curb)
They are particularly good for people who live in big cities, use it to go to work and spend a lot of time in trafic jams. Thats the place for hybrids. Hybrids are not that efficient for long highway drives.
Hahaha! I drive a hybrid. I did about 3,900 miles last year in about a week. I burned approximately 100 gallons of fuel. 39 MPG with an average speed of 72+ MPH not efficient? Find me another V6 mid-sized sedan that gets similar numbers. And, mine is near the bottom of the list in high MPG hybrids.
You can believe what you want.
I took these facts from www.cars.com for 2007 model. Honda web page does not state the curb weight. Maybe they changed the lazy engine for a better one (it would probably change the curb)
Yes it does - that's exactly where I got all of those numbers. You're just looking at what you want to see.
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