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Old 04-25-2005, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gschoen
I have yet to see any data about battery wear before the car's end of life. I looked quite a bit before buying, but even high mileage 100,000 vehicles didn't report wear or even significant capacity loss (rechargable batteries often lose capacity as they wear). Some have been replaced due to physical damage, manufacturing defect (this shows early), etc. We are all very interested in actual data on battery failure, but for data there will need to be enough cases to make meaningful conclusions (statistically overcome possibily of chance)

Statistically speaking, you have about the same chance at 110,000 miles of your engine cylanders getting a hole in them.

I'm hoping advances in battery tech will let me upgrade someday (plug in hybrid maybe?) but gut tells me probably that would be a newer model car
I've since done a bit more research on the batteries used in hybrids, particularly the HCH. Most seem to use stacks of NiMH "D-Cells" rated to 10,000 cycles. That's very, very huge. Since the D-cell size is a standard, that's also a good sign that battery replacement shoudln't cost too much, especially if a lot more hybrids are produced that stick with that as a standard. It's not like laptop batteries which are molded into a separate shape for each model. Literally replacing the D-Cell batteries could probably be done aftermarket for less than $1000.

Also, 10,000 cycles would probably depend on how much city driving you have. If you have a lot of stop and go in your trip, I'd bet the battery does much quicker (a lot more accelerating and decelerating uses the battery more) than someone with predominately highway miles who stays at a steady speed. I would also suspect the Prius would go through the battery quicker than an IMA-type hybrid, as well. I'd suspect most of the cars that have 100,000 in only a few short years have very, very long highway trips. That probably isn't representative of a more typical 100,000 mile car that is 10 years old in terms of battery use cycles.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if upgrades would work simply by supplying a greater amount of amp-hours at the same voltage. From what I understand, the car computer determines the battery level based on the voltage, so having a higher capacity battery could lead to a much more long-lasting assist--one that would be able to remain on much longer for long hill ascents, and such. Such an upgrade might require a ROM update, but there's no good reason that shouldn't be possible.
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