Hybrids and the rescue worker - GreenHybrid

Mongo · #1 (**permalink**) 05-04-2004, 10:03 AM

I found this article on a sight I frequent and thought it would be a good topic of discussion.
As is I am a firefighter and as always we are always the last to be considered when the design of a car is developed. It all started with airbags. Nowadays there are fuel lines and now electrical lines running through the cut points of vehicles.

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Rescue Workers Say Hybrid Cars a Danger

Tue May 4, 3:04 AM ET Add Business - AP to My Yahoo!

By PATRICK WALTERS, Associated Press Writer

PHILADELPHIA - The growing popularity of hybrid vehicles is a step toward cleaner air and less dependance on gasoline. But for rescuers at accident scenes, they represent a potential new danger: a network of high-voltage circuitry that may require some precise cutting to save a trapped victim.

"You don't want to go crushing anything with hydraulic tools," said Samuel Caroluzzi, an assistant chief with the Norristown Fire Department outside Philadelphia. "It's enough to kill you from what they're telling us in training."

Hybrids draw power from two sources, typically a gas or diesel engine combined with an electric motor. The battery powering the electric motor carries as much as 500 volts, more than 40 times the strength of a standard battery.

That worries those who must cut into cars to rescue people inside.

"If you can't shut it down, you don't know where the high voltage is," said David Dalrymple, an emergency medical technician in New Brunswick, N.J.

Manufacturers have put in place a laundry list of safety checks that the car's computer must go through for the electrical system to run. They've published guides showing where the electric components are on their models; on the Toyota Prius and other hybrids, the high-power cables are colored bright orange to catch the eye of a rescue worker or a mechanic.

But there are concerns over what happens if something goes wrong and the battery, ignition and other points are inaccessible.

"It's the 'what-if' that worries me," said David Castiaux, an instructor for Mid-Del Technology Center in Del City, Okla., who teaches rescue workers about hybrids.

Chris Peterson, a service training instructor for Toyota, said the Prius' electric system should shut down if anything goes wrong. "There should not be high voltage in those cables, but I'm not going to stand up and say there isn't," he said.

First responders are taught to disconnect the battery and turn off the key immediately before cutting into a car, but that's not always possible.

"Years ago you could just cut with your extrication tools through a post, but now you have to look before you cut," said Ken Nelsen, chief of the Iselin Fire Department District 11 in Woodbridge Township, N.J. "It's just another thing you need to worry about."

When air bags started becoming more common in the 1980s, rescue workers became aware of their potential to seriously injure or kill when inflated. Those concerns have been heightened now that the safety devices are being installed in side panels, seats and other areas.

Concerns about hybrids are increasing in large part because of their growing popularity. Sales have risen at an average annual rate of 88.6 percent since 2000 and recent figures show the number of Americans driving them jumped more than 25 percent from 2002 to 2003.

The Honda Insight and the Toyota Prius are common now and more are on the way: hybrid versions of the Ford Escape, Honda Accord and Lexus SUV this year, and a Toyota Highlander in 2005.

The Alachua County Fire Rescue in Gainesville, Fla., even has two hybrids of its own. Although its crews haven't had to deal with a hybrid crash, they've been getting versed on what to do when it happens, said Cliff Chapman, assistant chief.

They know not to cut into a hybrid's doors — that's where many of the cables are — and to peel off the roof instead. They also now operate under the assumption that a car is energized, wearing rubber gloves and boots.

Manufacturers say they will continue to keep rescue personnel up to date on their hybrids. But they also contend that hybrids can be seen as safer than regular cars.

"Everybody's concerned about the electrical side, but could you imagine if we tried to bring gasoline out today as a motor fuel?" Peterson said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...d_car_rescues_1

infael · #2 (**permalink**) 05-06-2004, 11:34 AM

This has been a big thing lately. I have no idea why as hybrids have been around for a few years, even if they are just now taking off.

Jason · #3 (**permalink**) 05-06-2004, 12:15 PM

Toyota's response:
http://pressroom.toyota.com/photo_library/...ml?id=20040504a

They want to make sure everyone knows the Prius is safe.

flare · #4 (**permalink**) 05-07-2004, 09:14 PM

w00t go prius

Hot_Georgia_2004 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-08-2004, 07:10 AM

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They know not to cut into a hybrid's doors — that's where many of the cables are — and to peel off the roof instead.

This makes me wonder if they know what they are talking about at all.
The next thing I expected to read there was the GAS lines are routed through the doors next to "The plug" that is always energized. :lol:
Thanks
Steve

jinno · #6 (**permalink**) 05-08-2004, 07:21 AM

Hi all,

The AP posted a correction to their article:

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Posted on Fri, May. 07, 2004
Correction: Hybrid Car Rescues story
Associated Press

PHILADELPHIA - In May 3 and May 4 stories about hybrid cars, The
Associated Press reported erroneously that the cables connecting the
high-voltage batteries to the electric motors run through the doors.
The cables run underneath the car.

In the Toyota Prius, the cables are routed below the floorpan, about
18 inches away from the driver's side door opening sills and are
protected by a metal shroud. Toyota said the company has received no
reports in the United States of any personal injuries related to the
electrical systems in the five years since the Prius was introduced.

jinno

BIF · #7 (**permalink**) 05-08-2004, 04:39 PM

It's unusual to see an actual AP correction anywhere near the front page. How much digging did you have to do to find that one?

PS - Hey, Hot Georgia, is that a "Poser" figure in your avatar? Do you do artwork when you're not driving your HCH?

Hot_Georgia_2004 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-08-2004, 07:57 PM

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is that a "Poser" figure

Yes it is.
Been working on texturing a locomotive:
http://www.steve-dez.us/boiler.jpg
Every once and a while I plan to change the style of my Avatar.
(Mohawk or colored hair, mustache, etc)

I'm also suprised that the AP actually posted a correction.
Thanks
Steve

BIF · #9 (**permalink**) 05-08-2004, 08:20 PM

Hey, cool locomotive. Keep up the good work! I too, have Poser. Not to get too far off topic, but I am planning to do more 3D work (and music) when I finish school (on Tuesday!). I just do it (3D and music) for fun, not profession.