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Old 02-18-2004, 07:31 PM
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natescape,

Your last paragraph broached an important point that I forgot to mention at these forums and will do so officially when I can. Political discussions must be confined to their own threads and interjection such as this will not be appreciated. I realize no one mentioned this before, so it's understandable. You did nothing wrong. However, I am aware that people have left other boards because of political sidetracking and would like to ensure the same does not happen here.

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Old 02-18-2004, 08:22 PM
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New forum Take a look.

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Old 02-18-2004, 09:45 PM
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Someone call me?
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Old 02-19-2004, 04:46 AM
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Just to be clear, I don't want to give you a hard time about this, I'm just seeking clarification... Can one mention that biodiesel is a domestically-grown fuel? You can't divorce the politics from the fuel, as it's (IMO) a big reason to use bio.

Facts (not opinions):
1) The US economy is bleeding money (just check the deficit).
2) A very large chunk of that is petroleum.
3) A large chunk of that goes to countries that oppress their people.
4) Some of that money goes to support terrorism.
5) Burning petroleum is a major contributor to global warming and the polluting of our air and water.

These, to me, are VERY strong reasons to use biodiesel. I love the environmental aspect of it, and that's what originally drew me to it (pre 9/11) - especially the near zero greenhouse gasses aspect. I see biodiesel as an important step to reduce and ultimately stop supporting a destructive process: the pumping and burning of petroleum. 9/11 gave me a broader perspective on oil, and what I saw wasn't pretty.

Hybrids are great. Fuel efficiency is great. But gasoline vehicles still use a precious, limited, destructive resource that we're going to run out of sooner than everyone thinks. Every gallon used is one gallon closer to the day when petroluem is no longer a viable energy source. We'll probably never actually RUN OUT of oil... it'll just get too expensive to bother with and we'll either find another solution (solar/wind/nuclear) or we'll have to radically change our lifestyles to consume less energy (or, we won't be able to do it and we'll decend into anarchy).

Don't count on hydrogen. H isn't a fuel SOURCE. It's just a carrier (like electricity). It takes energy to make H, and any time you convert energy from one form to another, you lose energy. If we get the H from electrolyzing water, we'd be better off just running electric cars. If we get it from natural gas, we'd be better off just running natural gas cars.

The solution (that I see) is biofuels - especially biodiesel from algae, solar and wind power, and clean nuclear power (not ideal, but it DOES work and produces massive amounts of power relatively cleanly). We simply CANNOT continue to use oil for much longer.

Disclaimer: I'm the founder and webmaster of biodieselnow.com. We do allow politics in our forums because it's often relevant, but try to keep strictly political topics in the off-topic section.

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Old 02-19-2004, 11:42 AM
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natescape,

Your comment wasn't terribly political, but it just brought up a good point that I thought I'd mention. Notice the new "guidelines" announcement.

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Old 02-20-2004, 09:08 AM
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Nice to see Y'all in here nate, Welcoome aboard. B)
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Old 02-20-2004, 09:14 AM
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Quote:
However, I am aware that people have left other boards because of political sidetracking
Jason must know about NQR Etc. :unsure:
Inside joke between Me and Nate. No biggie.
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Old 02-23-2004, 04:59 PM
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Another reason why global warming matters (and biodiesel contributes nearly NOTHING to global warming).

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/internation...1153513,00.html

Scary read.

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Old 02-23-2004, 05:02 PM
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I didn't bother to read the article, as I dismissed it as soon as I read the header. What type of BS is that? What's the Guardian? It sounds familliar, but I don't recall exactly what it is. Tabloids or something?

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Old 02-23-2004, 07:52 PM
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Hold on, Let me step in between you before things get ugly here.
Jason and Nate, Both of your causes are worthy. EXTREMELY WORTHY. On all sides of the spectrum. Just in a wee bit opposite direction.
The Wee bit is the political undertone.
Now where I agree where a political spearhead should be kept in the political forums, Jason, You just cannot keep the politics locked in that forum completely.
Nate is not playing the vote here vote there Bush is bad or good card. He is pointing out the enviromental issues foremost of his alternative fuels, followed by a small sniglet of Politics regarding the dependance of the US on Foriegn Oil supplies and relating them to the events of the last several years.
Hybrids are a wonderful thing, I hope with technology pumping into the development of them, they will be the norm for the future.
That being said, I hope the development of Biodiesel becomes the norm as well. The technology is improving tenfold by the day for a cleaner burning diesel fuel. If one day, they combine a clean burning Diesel with the technology of Hybrid vehicles and throw in the BioDiesel initiatives, THOSE vehicles WILL be indeed the wave of the future.
Think about it, Combine the economy of Diesel burning fuels, Hybrid Technology, and the use of vegetable based fuels, A vehicle will be developed that would certainly evolve into a 100% enviro friendly vehicle.
I personally look forward to that day.
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