Also... we seem to be taking this thread into a pollution debate, fine. There are other things in our world that can be addressed to reduce pollution that make buying a hybrid as a solution to the problem look silly at best. Buying a hybrid DOES not help global warming or pollution. It's time to get off your respective high horses and dwell on that a bit.

For example, reducing our consumption in meat (cattle) can have a greater impact on global warming (pollution) then anything that you can ever achieve in driving a hybrid alone.

The GREEN in GreenHybrid is just a color... it's not really green as in environmentally friendly. Sure it makes a lot of people on this board sleep better at night, but they are only fooling themselves. Just remember, bigger issues need to be solved first. Your contribution, however significant you think it is, is not but a drop in the bucket. I know... somebody is going to make the argument that, with that logic we will never get anywhere. And to that my reply is. YOU ARE RIGHT, BUT SO AM I! So why waste effort on solving global warming/pollution on something that can't solve global warming (ie. driving hybrid) when there are other thing that can have a major impact.

I expected you to be above such bait.

Could you link a credible source about hybrids not helping GW or pollution (other than Art Spinella?)

Incitements like this are also unhelpful.

I actually agree with you concerning reduced meat consumption.

So it was just a random color, eh?

I don't think anybody here thinks they have the power of a CEO or Head of State - more bait {sigh}. In a democratic process, you have people changing policy - one at a time.

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"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

What is your solution?
Riding a bike for hundreds of miles?

Ken@Japan

This forum would be boring if we didn't play devil's advocate every now and then.

No links... just buy 51 things you can do issue of Time Magazine. You will notice out of the 51 things that you can do, buying a hybrid isn't one of them. So yeah, you are helping but not by any measurment of any importance. This is a big issue, and big steps are needed.

It's a marketing color that we can agree on, that incites environmentally friendly images... but the reality is, every hybrid on this board is still polluting at the same ORDER of magnitude as their non-hybrid counterpart. Even if the world changed overnight to hybrids, we are still polluting TOO much... not to mention that our population doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Yeup, but our efforts seem to be misguided. There are a lot of people on this board that believe they are making a difference, I just wish they would open their eyes and work on a topic of more importance which will have a larger impact on pollution as a whole.

I'm not even going to go into how many ways you are wrong. You are obviously set in your thought pattern, however incorrect it is.
Late..........

err... what? Your suggestion makes no sense. Let us backup so that we can be on somewhat of the same wavelength:

You are speaking as if gas isn't dirty vs diesel being dirty. They are both "dirty", but there are advantages in diesel, specifically biodiesel that you seem to dismiss buy saying it's dirty. So as you can see, your reply to this, doesn't make much sense.

Case in point, somebody that sleeps well at night. I'm so great, I drive a hybrid. Behold, lars-ss the great.

No danger of boredom here. To put it diplomatically, this afternoon you are overdoing it.

I read that and renting a hybrid on a trip is one of them. How do you know that me or other members aren't trying to be green in other ways - kind of presumptious? I have an electric lawn mower and recently switched my utility to Green Mountain Energy....are you going to call me smug now? {sigh} If someone wants to grind an axe, they will do it - period.

Again, there is playing the Devil's Advocate, and then there is just inciting.

Try a more constructive approach than your last four posts.

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"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

Lars-ss The Great. Gotta admit I like that. Maybe I'll put it in my Sig.....

You are killing me. Everybody wears greenshades on this board, I'm just breaking a few glasses.

I don't presume anything. I do my part as others here do. In fact I'm sure that there are some that can put me and my entire family to shame on their effort. And I applaud them. But there are people on this board that think that owning a hybrid alone is changing things. I'm only addressing that issue. I am saying that other minor lifestyle changes can outdo any contribution a hybrid can do. I'm putting the hybrid in perspective which a lot of people seem to be missing my point. They would rather argue over whatever. Great. I prefer people to counter me with a better argument. I for one am not above learning from others even if I'm proven wrong. I can't say the same for others on this board.

What? Read other replies here. Others are not inciting? Yes, I know 2 wrongs don't make a right... but i don't think my comments are inciting anything. I for one don't get upset in forums. I find it funny when people get upset or bent out of shape over words. Please.

as for this:

"It's a marketing color that we can agree on, that incites environmentally friendly images... but the reality is, every hybrid on this board is still polluting at the same ORDER of magnitude as their non-hybrid counterpart. Even if the world changed overnight to hybrids, we are still polluting TOO much... not to mention that our population doesn't seem to be slowing down."

How is this inciting anything? The world population is growing, the number of net new cars coming online is far exceeding anything that hybrid technology can solve. Even if we all switched... which is unrealistic.