A new kind of rage - Page 2 - GreenHybrid

bwilson4web · #11 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark E Smith

1 Hybrids in the non hybrid world are the symbol of the radical environment movement.

2 Many people blame the oil shortage on the environmentalists because they have succeeded in stopping exploration and drilling in the US.

Ok, form a corporation that allows only individual investors from those who believe #2. Then let the corporation, the "homeland investment" fund, go drill anywhere they want. Forbid any corporate investors by making sure it has to be individuals ... using their 401k money. Yea, let them put their 401k funds into the fund and go drill away.

I grew up in Oklahoma and my uncle used to drill wells ... a great way to pour money into a hole in the earth. I don't cotton to folks who say someone else should be doing something they themselves don't have a stake-in. If these "drill everywhere" folks are so hot to trot, let' em wildcat like my uncle did.

Bob Wilson

1925 · #12 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 06:40 AM

Don't look too much into this. The guy probably lost it because his wife is leaving him. Sometimes when we feel powerless, we go after the weak (hybrid car = weak in his mind)

Chilly · #13 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FastMover

and them it hit me! A most likely reason is guilt. Here is an affluent American (new Navigators are not cheap!) persuing his version of the American dream sterotype of larger, faster and more expensive (he with the most, biggest and fastest toys wins) -- and he knows that he should act socially responsible regarding global warming, fuel conservation and traffic overpopulations. My presence, and that of every other hybrid, is pointing out his own selfish social attitude.

I think the more likely reason, is he swam in a dirty gene pool as youngin'.

There is nor "reason" for this type of behavior. It wouldn't matter what this guy was driving, he just a an unstable human. You did a much better job of handling the situation then I would of. I would walked right over to the guy and had a very frank conversation that would have involved me putting my finger right on his nose while talking.

Whiterook · #14 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bwilson4web

Ok, form a corporation that allows only individual investors from those who believe #2. Then let the corporation, the "homeland investment" fund, go drill anywhere they want. Forbid any corporate investors by making sure it has to be individuals ... using their 401k money. Yea, let them put their 401k funds into the fund and go drill away.

I grew up in Oklahoma and my uncle used to drill wells ... a great way to pour money into a hole in the earth. I don't cotton to folks who say someone else should be doing something they themselves don't have a stake-in. If these "drill everywhere" folks are so hot to trot, let' em wildcat like my uncle did.

Bob Wilson

Don't tempt 'em, they're ignorant enough to do it.
One of the big problems in explaining the problems we face are the complexities of oil and gas exploration and then the subsequent problems that are part of the variables in producing an oil field. The average person has no clue what is involved. To them, it's just drill a hole = oil comes out.

Crucial details of reservoir geology; depth of the producing layer, rock permeability, rock porosity, ground water pressurization of the field, quality and viscosity of the oil; hydrogen sulfide contamination, gas cap, and on and on are simply beyond what average people are willing to learn about.

The guy on the street hears that the Brazilians have found 3.5 billion barrels of oil and he thinks our problems are now over. Flow rates, costly maximum reservoir contact wells w/multilateral completions, and astronomical drilling/production costs are not on the list of things to EVER educate himself about. All that counts are the ignorant, simplistic arguments "**** the speculators, **** the environmentalists, etc."

g.theory · #15 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 12:51 PM

Everyone here is too nice. He is f'ing jealous and so he should just shut the f up. He was so f'ing dillusional to even think that Hybrid cars is the reason for the gas hike. Does he have a Pro-Bush or Pro-War bumper sticker?

Don't get me f'ing started!

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Originally Posted by FastMover

Yesterday evening I pulled into my favorite Shell station to refuel the TCH. As the pump shut off and I started to return the fueling hose to the pump, a total stranger that was across the ally from me on the other pump island started yelling at me with lots of four letter words that cannot be printed here.

The thread of his assult was that his fuel bill was too high for his Lincoln Navigator, and somehow I was the reason. Hybrid drivers were screwing up the status quo and driving up the cost of fuel, slowing him down on the road with their gutless cars, and causing him so much stress that his wife was leaving him....

I didn't know this guy at all -- total stranger. That prompted me to start wondering what really set him off. Was it an irresponsible hypermiller -- unlikely given the location and the fact that all local thru-ways at that point are at least two lanes in each direction, and more often, three. Did he resent the fact that I was saving money and he wasn't, either by luck or good judgement....

and them it hit me! A most likely reason is guilt. Here is an affluent American (new Navigators are not cheap!) persuing his version of the American dream sterotype of larger, faster and more expensive (he with the most, biggest and fastest toys wins) -- and he knows that he should act socially responsible regarding global warming, fuel conservation and traffic overpopulations. My presence, and that of every other hybrid, is pointing out his own selfish social attitude.

Unfortunately our American social structure and the measures of success used by most of our peers encourage the development a "me first" attitue. Taken to its upper extreme, this becomes something like "social responsibility is for everyone else, I'm different -- I deserve to be treated as a exception", or worse, "the laws are for everone else, I deserve to be exempted".

The resistance to new, more efficient technologies such as hybrids is more than just resistance to change. It represents changes in the goals that many have been pursuing for most of ther lives -- and thus presents them with the realiziation that much of that pursuit has been in the wrong directions because the target has changed -- is still changing.

pagemap · #16 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark E Smith

A thought hit me concerning this thread.

1 Hybrids in the non hybrid world are the symbol of the radical environment movement.

2 Many people blame the oil shortage on the environmentalists because they have succeeded in stopping exploration and drilling in the US.

So put the two together and high gas prices are the fault of the hybrid drivers.

I highly doubt that guy would be so analytical.

Noz · #17 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FastMover

Yesterday evening I pulled into my favorite Shell station to refuel the TCH. As the pump shut off and I started to return the fueling hose to the pump, a total stranger that was across the ally from me on the other pump island started yelling at me with lots of four letter words that cannot be printed here.

The thread of his assult was that his fuel bill was too high for his Lincoln Navigator, and somehow I was the reason. Hybrid drivers were screwing up the status quo and driving up the cost of fuel, slowing him down on the road with their gutless cars, and causing him so much stress that his wife was leaving him....

I didn't know this guy at all -- total stranger. That prompted me to start wondering what really set him off. Was it an irresponsible hypermiller -- unlikely given the location and the fact that all local thru-ways at that point are at least two lanes in each direction, and more often, three. Did he resent the fact that I was saving money and he wasn't, either by luck or good judgement....

and them it hit me! A most likely reason is guilt. Here is an affluent American (new Navigators are not cheap!) persuing his version of the American dream sterotype of larger, faster and more expensive (he with the most, biggest and fastest toys wins) -- and he knows that he should act socially responsible regarding global warming, fuel conservation and traffic overpopulations. My presence, and that of every other hybrid, is pointing out his own selfish social attitude.

Unfortunately our American social structure and the measures of success used by most of our peers encourage the development a "me first" attitue. Taken to its upper extreme, this becomes something like "social responsibility is for everyone else, I'm different -- I deserve to be treated as a exception", or worse, "the laws are for everone else, I deserve to be exempted".

The resistance to new, more efficient technologies such as hybrids is more than just resistance to change. It represents changes in the goals that many have been pursuing for most of ther lives -- and thus presents them with the realiziation that much of that pursuit has been in the wrong directions because the target has changed -- is still changing.

This self-righteous attitude dominates the American culture. After having lived here for the past 25 years of my life, I have yet to see a culture and bunch of people who are more arrogant, more egotistical, and so full of fear and outright hatred for others. The smuggness coupled with utter ignorance is not only shocking but extremely scary.

I'm not surprised that someone like that came up to you. There are plenty of extremely jealous, extremely judgmental people running around the US. If you don't fit in, or are branded a treehugging, antiwar, antipatriotic, anti-religious, anti-semetic, anti this, anti that crap, you're toast....toast.

It's no stereotype in my humble opinion when I say that SUV drivers are the epitomy of the selfish, self-absorbed, American individual. Yet the irony of it is that MOST of these idiots wouldn't lift a finger to help or give up something for the benefit of the whole...not a finger. Not even for their kids. Most of these suburbanite idiots know full well what a ludicrously stupid lifestyle they live...thinking that automatically have a kid gives them the entitlement to start wasting and pissing away resources...and everyone needs to get out of their way. Yet, they'd give up nothing for their kids even though day in day our they are constantly screaming about their kids this, their kids that.

i tell you....if ever there was a borg-like culture, this is it. There are ALOT of people who drive pen-is cars that's for sure.

BigTuna · #18 (**permalink**) 05-16-2008, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Noz

i tell you....if ever there was a borg-like culture, this is it. There are ALOT of people who drive pen-is cars that's for sure.

Wow that was quite a rant. I never realized until recently that you are 100% correct about big vehicles being an (ahem) "extension". Some of the folks at work are finally thinking about smaller cars and the general attitude is that small cars are not "manly". One guy was going on about his "manly" full sized pickup and said something about never being caught dead in a "girlie little car, no matter how high gas gets!"

Noz · #19 (**permalink**) 06-11-2008, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

......One guy was going on about his "manly" full sized pickup and said something about never being caught dead in a "girlie little car, no matter how high gas gets!"

Now...isn't that just sad? What an idiot.

Bobs Metallic Pearl · #20 (**permalink**) 06-11-2008, 07:59 PM

Yeah, I feel like asking if they get "11" miles to a gallon holding up both middle fingers for visual emphisis

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