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Old 09-15-2005, 11:46 PM
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Question Re: New Pennzoil Hybrid oil

I've been thinking about what you said for awhile:

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That's not entirely true. When you turn the engine off (autostop), the water pump stops as well. However the cylinder head, spark plugs, valves, pistons, and block all have excess heat that needs to dissipate. That's why the fan comes on AFTER you turn the key off, and it also comes on if the autostop has been active too long. There will be some convection cooling in the water jacket and radiator, and the aluminum block will also shed some heat from the air flowing across it. Due to the "heat soak" problem on these engines, stopping and starting all the time, I am surprised that Honda hasn't specified that the oil must be synthetic, regardless of whether it is 0w20, 0w30, 5w20, or 5w30, just for the better high temperature properties of synthetic oils. Also, the synthetics more closely maintain their viscosity ratings.

Also, the smaller engines in our hybrids are not really any more efficient than similarly designed large engines relative to their displacement. And more efficient engines have to run hotter, since all internal combustion engines operate on the principle of thermal expansion of gases. The greater the heat rise, the more expansion and combustion pressure to power the pistons down their cylinder bores. What makes any hybrid so efficient is that with a reasonably aerodynamic vehicle, cruising uses very little power. I read once when GM brought out the Chevy Citation, it needed 12 horsepower to MAINTAIN 55 mph. It is getting up to 55 and being able to accelerate for passing and such that requires all the extra power. Our hybrids use the electric systems to provide the power for acceleration. The gas engine is barely larger than needed to keep the car moving at constant speed. That's also why your fuel economy is so crummy in stop and go traffic, even with autostop and boost. In fact, our little engines have to work their pistons out to climb hills or accelerate past that slow semi on the freeway, resulting in the CVT revving the engine all the way to redline, or the downshift lights in the manual trans recommending third or second. All that hard work also makes them run a lot hotter. If you've ever watched your temperature guage, it gets up to "normal" really fast in the morning, even in winter.

The main reason for the 0w20 is that 0w20 weight oil uses less power to pump it up through the engine. It also flows more easily into the tight tolerances Honda and Toyota have designed into their engines. This is the same reason that all new GM and Ford vehicles recommend either 5w20 or 5w30 oils instead of the older 10w30 or 10w40 from years ago. The lighter oil uses less power, triggering better fuel economy. It is true the improvement is minor, but every 0.1 mpg counts when you're selling 500,000 cars and they have to reach a certain average fuel economy for your company. What with all the trucks and SUVs, it is amazing that GM, Ford and Chrysler can even meet the current C.A.F.E. standards.
I've been watching the temperature gauge when I autostop and I haven't seen the increment change, but then I don't know how long it takes for the thing to change, how accurate it is, or what temperature the dashes correspond to or even what the 'normal' operating temperature is for engines let alone my engine...

Anyway, I don't really understand this. Doesn't the engine oil cool the engine? I know the water does, but doesn't the oil itself have a cruxial role in this as well? I heard this years ago from a mechanic. This whole idea of heating oil up just sticks in my mind.

If the main reason to use the lighter oil is it uses less power to pump it through, then why bother making a heavier weight oil? Doesn't the oil cease to be useful when it raises to a given temperature, the lighter the oil, the lower the temperature required for it to stop protecting the parts?

I'm sure it's because I don't have much of a clue of how internal combustion engines work. This just isn't making sence to me.
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Old 08-08-2007, 03:37 AM
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Default Re: New Pennzoil Hybrid oil

If you get your oil changed at the delaership, make sure you "watch" them put in the 0W-20. Dealerships do not want to carry multiple grades of oil and may put in 5W-20, 5W-30, or whatever they carry in their bulk tank.

This will negatively affect your gas mileage!

If you want to change the oil yourself, here is another source of Fully-synthetic 0W-20 made by Nippon Oil (The largest oil company in Japan).

www.eneos.us

Good luck!

- Suk
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Old 08-10-2007, 06:10 PM
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Default Re: New Pennzoil Hybrid oil

AMSOIL also makes synthetic 0W-20, which I use in my Insight.
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