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Old 06-08-2007, 10:18 PM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

Entitlement is a HUGE problem now in this country.

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Old 06-08-2007, 10:42 PM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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Entitlement is a HUGE problem now in this country.
Could we all agree Paris Hilton has issues with entitlement, since this was mentioned?

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Old 06-08-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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You simplify what I say from being that the majority of SUV and truck drivers brought their vehicles due to a lack of self-esteem to being that all SUV and truck drivers brought their vehicles due to a lack of self esteem...As I said in the post that started this thread, take it at face value.
You conclude that I turned your "majority" into "all", is that projecting? What specifically did I say that accused you of meaning "all"? You have the entire thread at your disposal to prove your point. And a joke about dick size doesn't count.

You could also answer snowdog650's call to use real psychological diagnoses and terminology, not the self esteem babble that your idea hinges on.

Are you really standing on your original idea? With no expectation to back it up? At face value it is BS.

I've considered over and over what you've said, and have asked over and over for supporting evidence from you to back your idea, bring it on.

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Old 06-08-2007, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

Wow... I wasn't going to post in this thread, but I have so much to say.

Where is the original poster of the thread from? I can only speak to my locale, but here in Utah there are many reasons one would choose to drive a truck or SUV. They are probably a majority of vehicles. Those commercials you see on TV, with the kayaks and mountain bikes, and off-road vehicles? Yeah, we do that kind of stuff. A lot. Do we NEED to? No. Life isn't always about need. Take a step back and enjoy yourself a bit. Life is worth enjoying.

Several people have said that family size is shrinking. I'm betting those posters aren't from Utah either. Biggest families in the country here. Three-row SUVs and minivans are very popular because there are many (many) families that can not fit in smaller cars (with travel gear or without).

Several people have mentioned that trucks aren't being used as trucks because they come with luxury features. I have a 2003 Dodge Ram 3500 (one ton) diesel. I only drive it when I need to carry items that will not fit in my (ridiculously small) HCHII trunk, when I choose (not need) to tow something somewhere, or when it snows. I tow trailers all over the western states for camping and recreation. Refer back to that life is worth enjoying thing. On these trips we are commonly in the truck for several hours at a time. I tow a 6000ish pound trailer between Salt Lake and Phoenix a few times a year. It's a long day. On these long trips I want to be as comfortable as possible. I want my family to be as comfortable as possible. I want all the "luxury" features that are in my daily driver car. The reason I bought a diesel? It gets great fuel economy! Much better fuel economy per pound than my HCHII! Over 20 MPG without towing. It gets 15 miles per gallon (plus or minus depending on conditions) with a total weight (including towed vehicle) of 14000 pounds! Do the math, that's significantly less fuel per mile per pound than a 50MPG hybrid.

Speaking of snow... Ever driven in it? Ever driven a true 4-wheel-drive, with a part-time transfer case in it? It's a world of difference. There are several days each year that it snows hard here. Driving front-wheel-drive cars on snow/ice covered roads brings the suck. On those days I will drive my truck. People say 4-wheel-drive doesn't help you stop faster. They're wrong. It does. It locks all the wheels together, and keeps them rotating at the same rate. So as you slow down, you will not have the front locking up, and the rear still turning (leaving you with no steering control), for example. Someone with a family in a cold winter climate who can only afford one car (or only who needs one car, or only has room to store one car) should buy a car that is not safe to drive on several days per year (could be weeks at a time)? No they are going to buy a vehicle that they can use every day, even if it uses more fuel on the sunny days.

My wife drives a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee every day. She is an interior designer and frequently carries large items to clients. Window coverings, art, furniture items, tile and stone flooring, etc. Ever put a few boxes of tile in your hybrid trunk? You can't put too many in, you'll scrape the road. You would probably see her driving her "wasteful SUV" to work and judge her as a low self-esteem earth waster (LSEEW). You can't see what she carries every day. You can't see that she bought the 6 cylinder (in 2001 when gas was cheap) because it has higher fuel economy and pollutes less. You just instantly judge her as an LSEEW.

Do I own an SUV and a truck? Yes. Do I have low self-esteem? Certainly not. I use all my vehicles for their intended purpose and enjoy driving all of them. BTW, the only debt I have is my home, and my HCHII. The HCHII I am paying for with mileage reimbursement from work, so that debt does not really come out of my income. While I may or may not feel entitled to my lifestyle (and the vehicles that come with it), I have earned it and certainly have not irresponsibly used my financial system.

I need to stop soon... My point is there are many reasons for people choosing the vehicles they choose. You can not judge someone's intentions or situation as they drive by on the freeway. You have no idea what drives them. Psychological problems could be a reason someone buys a particular car, but I really think that is a very small minority, and not limited to SUVs. Just because someone is driving an SUV or truck doesn't mean they didn't consider fuel economy when they purchased it.

Hybrid owners are getting a reputation for having a holier-than-thou attitude. This thread is a great example of where that reputation is coming from. You are not better than anyone else because of the car you drive.

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Old 06-08-2007, 11:50 PM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

Holy cow that was huge...
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Old 06-09-2007, 12:11 AM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

RockMonkey,

The Rockies can be demanding on a vehicle - I've been to Colorado next door often. In the past, I've vented my frustrations with pickups, but let me put it into context. This is Dallas - flat, polar opposite of the Rockies in terrain or winter. Lots of landscaping, construction pickups running around, not to mention a pickup is about double the national average at every fourth vehicle. My experience is a lot of 20 or 30-something guys that either are not paying attention to their driving or just have a nasty attitude have given me the most grief on the freeway. Occasionally it could also be a ricer Civic or motorcycle.

It really was frustrating a couple of years ago, but gas prices seems to have dampened some of the whizzing by me. Also, I've been better at keeping my distance from them and being on the road away from the rush hour.

I'm hardly in an attitude of self-worship on/off the road. What got me on a pickup rant was some of them don't live and let live - when you get shoved on the road it does get kind of frustrating. Granted, some of this is probably non-malicious, but near-passes are near-passes - rude and not safe.

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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Holy cow that was huge...
Felt good didn't it. Well said.

Utah is absolutely the most beautiful state in the union for me.

Too bad your alcohol laws are so wacky.

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Old 06-09-2007, 12:34 AM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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It really was frustrating a couple of years ago, but gas prices seems to have dampened some of the whizzing by me.
Gas prices don't seem to have affected anyone's driving speed around here, the race is as full on as ever.

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Old 06-09-2007, 01:05 AM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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Felt good didn't it. Well said.

Utah is absolutely the most beautiful state in the union for me.

Too bad your alcohol laws are so wacky.
Thank you. Utah is a beautiful place. Colorado aint too shabby.

I hear you on the alcohol laws. You learn to work with the system, and make the occasional run to Wyoming or Nevada.
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Old 06-09-2007, 01:10 AM
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Default Re: Possible way to get majority of SUV and Pick-up truck drivers to drive something

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RockMonkey,

The Rockies can be demanding on a vehicle - I've been to Colorado next door often. In the past, I've vented my frustrations with pickups, but let me put it into context. This is Dallas - flat, polar opposite of the Rockies in terrain or winter. Lots of landscaping, construction pickups running around, not to mention a pickup is about double the national average at every fourth vehicle. My experience is a lot of 20 or 30-something guys that either are not paying attention to their driving or just have a nasty attitude have given me the most grief on the freeway. Occasionally it could also be a ricer Civic or motorcycle.

It really was frustrating a couple of years ago, but gas prices seems to have dampened some of the whizzing by me. Also, I've been better at keeping my distance from them and being on the road away from the rush hour.

I'm hardly in an attitude of self-worship on/off the road. What got me on a pickup rant was some of them don't live and let live - when you get shoved on the road it does get kind of frustrating. Granted, some of this is probably non-malicious, but near-passes are near-passes - rude and not safe.
Maybe your frustrations should be placed on inconsiderate 20 or 30 something drivers, regardless of what they drive. I participate and read a lot of diverse forums. You guys would be amazed at how often the "how many miles per gallon do you get" threads pop up on the truck forums. We are all more similar than we realize.
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