Hybrids: '06 Civic Hybrid Magnetic Pearl w/Navi (as of July 1, 2006)
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Originally Posted by valerieannt
If you choose the last question - that means the Prius will be the first plug in available to the public. My bets would be on Toyota.
Do you think *that* interpretation is even close to obvious? I don't.
Steve
STOP terrorism - Drive a HYBRID
Vehicles:
350 miles a week ------------ 2006 HCH II, Magnetic Pearl, w/NAVI (born on May 25, 2006)
350 miles a month ---------- 2003 Mazda Tribute ES-V6
350 miles a year (for now) - 1986 Mercedes 560SL
I am still waiting for Honda's official announcement on their plug in (hopefully-soon). Don't get me wrong, I will jump on whoever (Honda or Toyota) gets the plug in out first. Based on facts (what exists today), I do believe the only chance of getting a true plug-in will be from either Honda or Toyota. Face it, GM did have a solution with the EV1 but chose to KILL THE ELECTRIC CAR. That is why I am counting on the Japanese to come through with a solution.
I was among the lucky few to drive an EV-1 for a short while when I was working in the Los Angeles area, and swapped rides with a guy who needed more range for his commute. I can tell you without reservation that the only thing wrong with it for me then was ... nothing, and that the only thing wrong with it for me today would be range and perhaps an outdated body style (but not by much).
My present communte would tax the limits of the EV-1's batteries. But with updated battery technology, I cannot think of a reason that it would not perform satisfactorily for my present day requirements as a commute vehicle backed up by a hybrid for occasional longer trips.
With super-capacitor storage to provide better acceleration and new battery technology, the car would perform as well as any small or intermediate four cylinder vehicle on the road today over an 80 to 120 mile range -- more than enough for a commuter vehicle.
It is the ignorant among us that will eventually destroy us all.
I am still waiting for Honda's official announcement on their plug in (hopefully-soon). Don't get me wrong, I will jump on whoever (Honda or Toyota) gets the plug in out first. Based on facts (what exists today), I do believe the only chance of getting a true plug-in will be from either Honda or Toyota. Face it, GM did have a solution with the EV1 but chose to KILL THE ELECTRIC CAR. That is why I am counting on the Japanese to come through with a solution.
The Ford Escape Hybrid Plug-in Vehicle is on the road today providing feedback to researchers. 20 additonal Plug in Escape Hybrid vehicles will be produced this year. I can take my Escape Hybrid to Boulder and make it a plug in for only $36,000.
I do not believe the Japanese will be the first to the market. Mercedes is already receiving factory produced lithium ion batteries from the SACH factory in France.
2005 AWD Escape Hybrid
Best Interstate tank trip MPG 39.02 (scangauge II) for 402 miles on I-70, 10.3 gallons used over mostly flat terrain.
Best Interstatetank trip E30 MPG 34.6 for 271 miles along I-80 in Indiana and Ohio.
Best multiple road tank trip E30 MPG 36.2 for 202 miles in Southwestern Pa.
Billyk... You just don't get do you!!! I don't care about the Fleet testing or real world testing. These vehicles already existed in production for well over 10 years. How soon you forget about the vehicles that where already offered to the public such as the Ford THINK, Honda EV+, Nissan Altria (LION Bat.), The Toyota RAV4 EV, and OH! lets not forget the EV1!!!! Don't be studpid like the rest of the US. This is why we are paying $4.00 a gallon for gas. Don't forget people like Hummers I meen Bummers more and they love suporting the SCUM OPEC nations other wise why would we be having this conversation....
We all hold strong positions and ideas on this subject. Let's however not start calling people names.
Good question. It looks like all they are doing is installing a battery pack (not motors or anything mechanical). If so, that is one expensive battery!
Now you know why the GM Volt is estimated to cost around $48,000 in today's money. This will change in a few years. The new hybrid battery technology is expensive.
2005 AWD Escape Hybrid
Best Interstate tank trip MPG 39.02 (scangauge II) for 402 miles on I-70, 10.3 gallons used over mostly flat terrain.
Best Interstatetank trip E30 MPG 34.6 for 271 miles along I-80 in Indiana and Ohio.
Best multiple road tank trip E30 MPG 36.2 for 202 miles in Southwestern Pa.
. . . and Honda had the most economical hybrid in the world but chose to discontinue production because there is supposedly no demand for this type of vehicle.
If you're talking about the Insight, it failed because a) it was a cramped 2-seater with little cargo space, and b) despite its great MPG, its emissions were too high to qualify for the federal tax breaks. Meanwhile, the HAH failed because it was a 6-cyl. whose minuscule MPG edge over the regular Accord wasn't enough to overcome the higher price.
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