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View Poll Results: Volt - Fact or Fiction?
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You believe GM will bring the Volt to market
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45.45% |
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You believe GM will NOT bring the Volt to market
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27.27% |
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You know for sure that GM will release Volt in 2010
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Who will be plugged in first the Prius or Volt
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27.27% |
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04-25-2008, 06:11 AM
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Eco Accelerometrist
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Real Name: MSantos
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Hybrids: 2006 HCH, 2007 Prius, 2007 HCH
Posts: 1,193
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
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Originally Posted by valerieannt
... I am still waiting for Honda's official announcement on their plug in (hopefully-soon).
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Valerie, Honda has stated multiple times that it is not contemplating plug-ins at all - while it is on their list, it is only so as a remote possibility.
Just to be explicit: Expect no plug-ins from Honda, at least for the immediate future.
Cheers;
MSantos
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04-30-2008, 10:00 AM
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HSD Organic Interface
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Real Name: Andy
Location: Toronto, ON
Hybrids: 2007 TCH
Posts: 570
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
I don't believe the Volt will beat the PHEV Pruis to market. In fact, I don't think GM has any intension of putting this car into production anywhere near the numbers they state (if any at all). The VOLT is simply the next excuse in GM's "see how green we are" marketing plan.
GM was forced to make EV1s, only until they could sue there way out of them. They used the promise of soon to arrive fuel cell cars as their excuse.
Another excuse was flex fuel. A few simple engine mods, a new trunk emblem and another round of self congratulations (let someone else figure out how to get E85 to the mass market without huge use of fossil fuels, or even if E85 really does make sense or not).
So now that we're suppose to have fuel cell vehicles by now, and since it's becoming common knowledge that we won't see them for a long time if ever as a mass market vehicle, GM needs a new excuse and the Volt is it. PHEVs are the latest buzz so out comes the Volt concept car with the slick marketing campaign with all its flash and dazzle to stun the masses. Of course, they already conveniently have their excuse ready to go, that pesky lithium battery tech just needs more tweaking. That'll give GM years (more) worth of marketing potential while they spend a few pennies tinkering and not having to put anything in the dealership showrooms.
So meanwhile Toyota continues to move forward with real Prius PHEV test vehicles, struggling with Lithium, tweaking NiMH and HSD, having successes and failures, but with real effort to succeed. They will be the first mass market PHEV.
Two climate control systems, one inside and the other at the tailpipe.
2007 Camry Hybrid (in service June 2006)
FE: 6.67L/100km or 35.3 mpg (6.11L/100km or 38.5 mpg in summer)
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04-30-2008, 01:53 PM
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Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Ken Grubb
Location: Puyallup, WA
Hybrids: None, yet
Posts: 70
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
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Originally Posted by Droid13
The VOLT is simply the next excuse in GM's "see how green we are" marketing plan.
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Might be even more insidious than that.
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Originally Posted by Bob Lutz
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Lutz would seem to see the Volt as GM's "CAFE killer" to sell more Hummers.
Chevy Volt or Li-ion PHEV Prius?
Hmmm. What color choices are available?
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04-30-2008, 07:47 PM
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Energy Independence
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Real Name: Steve
Location: Richardson, TX
Hybrids: '06 Civic Hybrid Magnetic Pearl w/Navi (as of July 1, 2006)
Posts: 1,124
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
Ken, when gas hits $5+ a gallon, I doubt GM's going to be worried about Hummer sales killing their CAFE avg. Not many people will be buying them...
Steve
STOP terrorism - Drive a HYBRID
Vehicles:
350 miles a week ------------ 2006 HCH II, Magnetic Pearl, w/NAVI (born on May 25, 2006)
350 miles a month ---------- 2003 Mazda Tribute ES-V6
350 miles a year (for now) - 1986 Mercedes 560SL
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05-01-2008, 07:26 AM
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Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Ken Grubb
Location: Puyallup, WA
Hybrids: None, yet
Posts: 70
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
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Originally Posted by gumby
Ken, when gas hits $5+ a gallon, I doubt GM's going to be worried about Hummer sales killing their CAFE avg. Not many people will be buying them...
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So then, what you're saying is that GM has only one more year to sell Hummers? I'm good with that.
Chevy Volt or Li-ion PHEV Prius?
Hmmm. What color choices are available?
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05-01-2008, 11:21 AM
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Enthusiast
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Real Name: Valerie
Hybrids: Prius, Insight
Posts: 36
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
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Originally Posted by kengrubb
Might be even more insidious than that.
Lutz would seem to see the Volt as GM's "CAFE killer" to sell more Hummers.
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The proof is really in the pudding. Just look at the majority of GM commercials...hmmm, I recall HUMMERS, Cadillac Escalades. However, I have not seen any promotion for the VOLT or any gas economy vehicles from GM. Perhaps, because they DO NOT EXIST! 
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05-01-2008, 11:26 AM
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Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Ken Grubb
Location: Puyallup, WA
Hybrids: None, yet
Posts: 70
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
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Originally Posted by valerieannt
The proof is really in the pudding. Just look at the majority of GM commercials...hmmm, I recall HUMMERS, Cadillac Escalades. However, I have not seen any promotion for the VOLT or any gas economy vehicles from GM. Perhaps, because they DO NOT EXIST! 
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Oh I've seen the GM AFV commercials. It's the same as their PR on the website.
http://www.chevrolet.com/fuelsolutions/
Ooh, ah. Pretty. Where do I buy one? What? Why do I need to read up on the work of H.G. Wells and not interrupting the space time continuum when I time travel?
Chevy Volt or Li-ion PHEV Prius?
Hmmm. What color choices are available?
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05-01-2008, 01:23 PM
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Engineering first
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Real Name: Bob
Location: Huntsville, AL
Hybrids: Prius Classic 03
Posts: 5,029
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
The irony will never escape me that Toyota designed and built the Prius in part to answer GM's "concept cars" of the late 1990s. The only difference is Toyota "didn't get the memo" that GM would abandon that whole line until the Toyota success struck them with a "clue by four."
Bob Wilson
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05-01-2008, 04:03 PM
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Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Steve
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Hybrids: 2004 Civic CVT Hybrid
Posts: 1,676
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
The only GM commercials I see is an Escalade driven by a gorgeous knock-out brunette. She has a good firm grip on the wheel as she floors it.
Much better if she had a grip on a gas nozzle showing the $$ roll by.
Meanwhile their economy flagship only gets 32MPG. Oh, and that's an "Honest" 32MPG
Efficient drivers do it better.
1003 miles a tank personal record. 74MPG calculated. HCH1 CVT
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05-01-2008, 04:22 PM
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Enthusiast
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Hybrids: 2008 Prius Pkg. 5
Posts: 3
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Re: Posted to GM Site Today
Wife and I VERY happy with our 2008 Prius(two weeks old now). If a plug-in Prius comes along in the next 3-4 years, we will probably trade the '08 for it.
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