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Old 08-16-2004, 09:21 AM
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Let's start with a few quotes that are typical:

"We hear of diesel's great popularity in Europe. Don't be misled. Those folks don't love diesels any more than we do. It's the fuel cost, stupid. "

Diesel haters will always be so. Yeah, yeah, it's because of the price, stupid.

I'd like to see the face of this particuliar writer when one of my buddies TDI pass a VR6 and the poor guy can't keep up...

"Bland is bad in cars. Diesels don't know how to be bland. The VW gives you a little of that Peterbilt clatter and that indomitable turbo torque way down at grunting speed. You get to slog around in the ever-widening oil slick at the U-serve, too, same as real truckers, and you'll notice that clingy petro smell every time you get behind the wheel. Diesels have character. A few of us really get off on them. It's not explainable."

As usual, they make noise, they smell bad, they smoke...and then?

And then? And then? And then? And then? (If you've seen "Dude, where's my car?", you'd understand).

They never say that like the Prius, the TDI is the only other vehicule in this test to have a drive by wire system.

They don't say that on a twisty road it can out run any of these hybrids (no pun intended here guys), because it is German engineered.

I like the pic with the Echo on the verge of slipping... :lol:

They don't say a lot of things, but what pisses me off the most is that they compare "brand new" to "brand new".

A diesel is fully broken in at 60 000 miles.

Before that it'll consume more, normal thing. <_<

Why don't they put an Insight instead of the Echo?

Anyway, my opinion on this lousy article.

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That's true xcel. Usually the Prius comes on top...weird...

Journalist like it more than the HCH usually...

Do you know if it's the full article that you posted the link or it was shorten a bit?

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Wayne,
I think the answer you're looking for is the fact that this is Car & Driver. They basically frown on anything that doesnt perfore as well. Honda's are known to be fun to drive, Toyotas are going the route of steritily in the driving experience. Car & Driver is the type of mag that likes fun to drive....i hope you understood that.
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I dont see why they only gave the echo 3 points - the echo gave better than EPA mileage and better than diesel in the city.

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Hey Freaklad, do you live in St. Louis? I just saw the arch in your avatar

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Yep - I am in St Louis. How about you?

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I dont see why they only gave the echo 3 points - the echo gave better than EPA mileage and better than diesel in the city.
My feeling is that the linked review was not just about mileage. If it was we would need to look no farther than the EPA and give Insight the gold, Prius2 silver and so on. The point was that the Echo was not a fun car to drive in their opinion.

If a car gave 150MPG but had no suspension, no air, no heat and you had to fully recline like an Indy car to drive it, would you buy it? I wouldn't, at least till gas gets way more expensive. I like the HCH cause it comes loaded with plenty of standard features. A heads up display and stereo controls in the steering wheel are the only things I'd add, neither being very important.

It all come down to different strokes. I suspect that it total cost to own was a larger factor the Echo would have been on top of the list.
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