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Old 09-01-2005, 08:59 AM
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Common Sense Alert:

Why would anyone have a "desire for war?" That's not human nature, and is not something that the "protector of the people" would do. No one "wants" war. It's not natural, not humane, and not reasonable. You cannot become a two term President if you are unnatural, inhumane, and unreasonable.

Wanting to "protect your people" by going to war is COMPLETELY different than "wanting war." No reasonable, sane person "wants war" - no one. That's not even up for debate.

Freedom is not free - for us, for the Iraqis, for Middle East stability - it's just not free.

We *WILL* be attacked again on our own soil - because of the inherent freedoms of our society, it's inevitable. But it won't be by the insane leader of a country with oil billions to spend and an itch to use a Nuke on us, nor by any of his sicko friends.
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Old 09-01-2005, 09:19 AM
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"Why would anyone have a "desire for war?" Oil. After ideology, natural resources is I suspect the most common reason for aggression.

And when the warmonger sits at home and sends others to do the dying, the decision to go to war is even easier.

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Old 09-01-2005, 09:31 AM
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There really is only one expanation for people thinking "Bush lied".

1. Bill Clinton said Iraq had WMD and even attempted to bomb his "Nuclear and biological facilities" back in 1998.
2. John Kerry and the rest of Congress said he had them.
3. British said he had them.
4. U.N. Said he had them.
5. The people he used them on knew he had them.
6.
About a year ago they removed "approximately 1.8 tons of uranium, enriched to a level of 2.6%, another 6.6 pounds of low-enriched uranium, and approximately 1,000 highly radioactive sources"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...-uranium_x.htm
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=14295
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___"Centrifuge parts and blueprints hidden by one of Saddam's top nuclear scientists, who told U.S. interrogators that he was ordered to keep the bombmaking tools ready to resume production at a moment's notice"
___"Satellite photos from 2002 that showed new construction at al Tuwaitha, which had been largely destroyed in U.S. bombing raids during the first Gulf War and Operation Desert Fox"
___"The discovery of nearly two dozen artillery shells loaded with Sarin and mustard gas, which was reported in June 2004 by Iraq Survey Group chief Charles Duelfer"
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...8/110744.shtml

The only logical expanation for the "Bush lied" statement is the unbridled hatred for the man.
The man would have to be all-seeing, all powerful to fool the entire world, even back when he is was only a governor.
He's not all powerful and all seeing, omnipotent.

If any bad thing at all happens it's always GB's fault from tsanami's to hurricanes and looting to your own cat's hangnail.
I'm sure the next tornado in Kansas will be linked to the all seeing, all knowing GB.

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Old 09-01-2005, 09:32 AM
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I bet if Pearl Harbor had been bombed in 2005 and Bush sent troops to fight the Japanese (and the Germans), he would have been called a warmonger then too.

What was he supposed to do? If we didn't go to Iraq and we got hit again by some terrorists with chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein gave them, Bush would have been called a coward for not doing something about him.

Was Clinton a warmonger when he sent troops to Bosnia a few years back? I didn't see him donning a uniform and going into the combat zone. Any president would be foolish for doing so. We have an all volunteer military (that I am a member of) - the risk of having to die in combat is known when we raised our hand an swore an oath...

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Old 09-01-2005, 09:33 AM
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The "war for oil" debate is over, and current oil prices and the fact that we are not getting "free oil" from Iraq stand as 100% proof that the war is not and was not ever about acquiring cheap oil. If it was about oil, where is the cheap gas from all this oil we "conquered?" That argument is dead and has been lost by the "war for oil" chirpers.
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Old 09-01-2005, 10:08 AM
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I bet if Pearl Harbor had been bombed in 2005 and Bush sent troops to fight the Japanese (and the Germans), he would have been called a warmonger then too. What was he supposed to do? If we didn't go to Iraq and we got hit again by some terrorists with chemical weapons that Saddam Hussein gave them, Bush would have been called a coward for not doing something about him. Was Clinton a warmonger when he sent troops to Bosnia a few years back? I didn't see him donning a uniform and going into the combat zone. Any president would be foolish for doing so. We have an all volunteer military (that I am a member of) - the risk of having to die in combat is known when we raised our hand an swore an oath...
Well Said. You join the military at ANY TIME in history, you are by default declaring you are willing to give your life to protect fellow Americans and our way of life, and the methods of that protection very well might come in the guise of a war you might not agree with. That's the way things go. We never know when our defense will be needed, or how, or why. That's why the military trains 24/7 for whatever might happen.

I gave my 6 years to the Marine Corps in the 1980s and early 1990s, and my reserve unit was on standby call for the first Gulf War. They told us to be ready to ship out on a 24 hour notice. I was making plans to store my furniture and my car. Did I think that might happen when I signed up? Sure, but no one really expects it until something happens. But if you ignore the risk, you are ignoring reality.
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