Interactive hybrid cars resource
GreenHybrid Home - Hybrid Cars
Hybrid Cars Discussion Forums
Hybrid Articles
Hybrid Mileage Database & Car Specs
Hybrid Car Photo Gallery
Shopping Guide for Hybrid Cars


Go Back   GreenHybrid - Hybrid Cars > Hybrid Topics > General Forum
Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

General Forum Nonspecific discussions 

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-27-2004, 05:46 PM
innkeeper's Avatar
innkeeper innkeeper is offline
Enthusiast
 
Location: NE usa
Posts: 35
Default

Some hybrids not as reliable as gas-powered models
By James R. Healey, USA TODAY
The most fuel-efficient vehicles — diesels and gas-electric hybrids — have more engine problems than similar gasoline-power vehicles, says a study of owners' experience with 2001 models.

Owners reported far more computer problems with the 2001 Toyota Prius than with the 2001 Toyota Corolla.
[Toyota]

The discrepancies can be dramatic. Owners of 2001-model Toyota and Honda hybrids reported twice as many engine problems as owners of gas-engine Toyotas and Hondas. Owners of Volkswagen diesels reported up to twice as many engine problems as owners of VWs burning gas.

The results are from J.D. Power and Associates' 2004 Vehicle Dependability Study. It asked '01 model owners what's gone wrong in three years.

RELATED CHARTS

Engine problem for hybrids
Engine problems for diesels



Automakers insist there's nothing inherently troublesome about diesels or hybrids, and say they score higher than gas-power vehicles in other measures of quality and satisfaction. But reliability doubts could make Americans reluctant to buy vehicles that could cut fuel bills and U.S. dependence on imported oil. Reliability problems also can make vehicles worth less as used cars.

Hybrids came to the USA late in 1999, and '01 models still didn't have bugs worked out, says Walter McManus, executive director of forecasting at J.D. Power. Diesel problems "are more surprising" because it's an older technology.

Hybrids on sale in '01 were the Honda Insight two-seater and Toyota Prius four-door sedan. No gas versions were available, so the Power survey contrasts them with the gas-power Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla, each brand's best-selling small car. Other models in the survey have directly comparable gas versions.

Hybrid problems included repairs to engine computers and emissions-control systems — faults that gasoline and diesel models did not have.

Honda and Toyota say some '01 hybrids had faulty engine control computers, which triggered "check engine" lights and caused other problems. Both say they told dealers to replace faulty computers, and that solved the problems.

Diesels were mixed. Ford and Chevrolet diesel pickups were worse than similar gas models, while Dodge and GMC trucks were better overall.

Power research shows that, problems notwithstanding, owners love diesel and hybrid powerplants and rate them higher than owners of gas engines rate theirs.

"A large number of people are willing to accept problems in return for performance or new technology," McManus says.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-27-2004, 07:32 PM
Jason Jason is offline
GreenHybrid Founder
 
Real Name: Jason Siegel
Location: Houston, TX
Hybrids: 2004 Toyota Prius
Posts: 4,470
Default

Hmm... only admins are supposed to have thread starting priviledges in the "news" section! How did that happen?

*moved*

.

Visit my newly-acquired website, Volconvo Debate Forums!


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-27-2004, 08:17 PM
innkeeper's Avatar
innkeeper innkeeper is offline
Enthusiast
 
Location: NE usa
Posts: 35
Default

lol ...actualy your move comment is on the wrong article, Hot_Georgia_2004 had posted the same thing in news, but i found it after i posted here.
Hot_Georgia_2004 only had a link to the article though.
i see you moved that to this section,...

actualy i dont know why i care and am telling you, but hey its all petty funny.

cheers
innkeeper
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-27-2004, 08:20 PM
Jason Jason is offline
GreenHybrid Founder
 
Real Name: Jason Siegel
Location: Houston, TX
Hybrids: 2004 Toyota Prius
Posts: 4,470
Default

Yeah, not a big deal. You did post in the Hybrid News section, though. The entire article was appearing on GreenHybrid's homepage!

.

Visit my newly-acquired website, Volconvo Debate Forums!


Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-27-2004, 08:48 PM
innkeeper's Avatar
innkeeper innkeeper is offline
Enthusiast
 
Location: NE usa
Posts: 35
Default

wow, pretty wild.
well i swear up down and sideways i posted in general, and actualy looked at it after i was done to see it under the main discuss page.
very strange goings on.
sorry to hear it ended up in the homepage, that sucks, definatly not the kind of article you want there!! :blink:
would you like me to attempt to create an article in news just to see if there is somthing boken? (the programmer in me comming out always wanting to debug things)
let me know
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-29-2004, 12:49 PM
johanerlandsson's Avatar
johanerlandsson johanerlandsson is offline
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Johan Erlandsson
Location: Gothenburg, Sweden
Hybrids: Prius I
Posts: 164
Default

I'va had that engine control unit malfunction. The car worked, but the "Engine check" lamp was on. They changed the engine control unit for me without cost. They also said it was not hybrid related, the ECU is for the ICE only.

.

Johan Erlandsson

See mileage data for my 00 Prius.
See my environmental performance (still in swedish only, feel free to ask).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-29-2004, 01:22 PM
lakedude lakedude is offline
Super Moderator & Contributor ($)
 
Posts: 1,672
Default

Quote:
No gas versions were available, so the Power survey contrasts them with the gas-power Honda Civic and Toyota Corolla, each brand's best-selling small car.
This is not at all a fair comparison. They compaired new, very low production models with older, established, high production models.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Topic Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The "Truth" About Hybrids flare General Forum 5 11-30-2004 07:31 AM
GreenHybrid Referenced in L.A. Times Magazine Jason Our Announcements 9 08-29-2004 07:00 PM
Hybrids and the rescue worker Mongo General Forum 8 05-08-2004 08:20 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:27 AM.



This website is made possible by people like you.
Thank you.


HOME   .   DISCUSS   .   LEARN   .   COMPARE   .   SHARE   .   SHOP

About      Press Release      Contact

Suggested Link      Promote Hybrids      Site Store




COPYRIGHT © 2005-2006 Internet Brands, Inc. | Privacy Policy

SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0