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Old 12-09-2004, 02:16 PM
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The tapered shape of the Prius II cargo area (with the back seats down)limits its usefulness for carrying bulky items. The roofline tapers down so the area behind the back seats has very limited headroom. The Insight shares this same height limitation to its cargo area.

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Old 12-09-2004, 09:06 PM
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And how about with the front passenger seat down too?

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Old 12-09-2004, 09:31 PM
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Hi Basjoos:

___I am just beginning to work on a possible Ford Corporate Focus C-Max test bed (w/ possible Urea inj. SCR CAT and DPF) …

2005 Ford Focus: Europe
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The diesel units are latest-generation common-rail units with particulate filters, which will meet Euro IV emissions regulations and therefore avoid the extra three-percent tax penalty levied on diesel cars which don't meet the new regulations. The engines are a 1.6-litre unit with 107bhp and 177lb.ft, and a 2.0-litre unit with 134bhp and a healthy 236lb.ft. The petrol engines and 1.6-litre diesel come with a five-speed manual transmission, that CVT is also available on the 1.6-diesel, while the 2.0-litre diesel has a six-speed manual gearbox.
___The 1.6 TDCi although only Prius II fast (0 - 60 in ~ 11.0 seconds) receives ~ 40/60 mpg EPA estimated equivalent City/Hwy. The 2.0 w/ a 6-speed manual (0-60 in ~ 9.3 seconds) receives ~ 33/53 mpg EPA estimated equivalent City/Hwy. In our hands, you are looking at 75 + mpg automobiles with the 1.6 and 65 + mpg automobiles with the 2.0 as well as excellent performance in the case of the 2.0!



___In case you missed this one from a while ago, it might be worth the read. First Test: 2002 Ford Focus TDCi

___38 mpg average with a test car being flogged? Can you say 52 - 54 mpg out on the highway w/ < 10 second to 60 performance! The 2005 on up Euro IV spec’ed Ford C-MAX’s have improved upon this TDCi with even greater HP, Torque, quietness, smoothness, and FE since the third article/review linked directly above was written.

___As far as interior volumes are concerned … the US based Focus includes class leading Compact interior volumes:

Focus ZX5:
Passenger Volume cu. ft.: 94.4
Luggage Capacity cu. ft.: 18.6
Total: 113 cu. ft.

Prius II:
Passenger Volume cu. ft.: 96.2
Luggage Capacity cu. ft.: 16.1
Total: 112.3 cu. ft.

___The rear hatch area of the US based Focus ZX3/ZX5/ZTW (ZTW=Station Wagon) is quite usable with a rather tall height from front to back. This should just about take care of most of your needs and it would not cost an arm and a leg given an easy $17K w/ the 1.8L TDCi after bargaining with some rather nice options

___Funny thing is however is that all of these Euro Diesel’s probably have much lower emissions (Euro IV for the 1.6/2.0 w/ a DPF and Euro III for the 1.6 and 1.8 without) then your 92 CX (TLEV at best!) but they (the 1.6/1.8/2.0 TDCi) won’t be made available in the states for some time (if ever) because of their emissions

___What in the world is the US (CARB and/or the EPA) thinking given either of these latest generation Euro TDCi’s when running B20 in the winter and B100 in the summer would decrease CO2 emissions to just 10’s of grams/mile vs. > 110 - 400 + for absolutely everything else including the Insight and Prius II. If the EPA says CO is a pollutant, how can they say CO2 isn’t given both will kill you in the exact same manner in heavy concentrations or simply kill the planet in the case of CO2 as a GHG?

___Sorry to all for running so far off topic

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net

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Old 12-11-2004, 06:16 PM
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I've driven the Focus ZX3 and liked it other than for its less than steller reliability record (in the USA) and its relatively poor gas mileage. A diesel Focus hatch could be a possibility if Ford can improve the reliability (ditto for VW and the Golf TDI).

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Currently own a '99 Camaro Z28. I've had an affinity for Camaro's since 2001 when I saw a Sunset Orange Metallic one sitting in a local dealership lot. I went to that dealership nearly every night for 2 months just to stare at it until they sold it. I got a job and worked 40 hours a week while just a Junior in highschool so I could afford one. Ended up getting a 3 year old Z28 in great condition. Even without all the power, I simply loved the car. This is what got me into cars in the first place.

I then bought a '95 V6 Camaro as a beater, but then traded that in for a winter beater when ended up being a '02 Honda Insight brand new. I couldn't afford both the Zed and the Insight so I had to let go of the 60 MPG beast in favor of my love in October of 2003. I will buy a used Insight hopefully before the snow hits big this winter.

My mom just bought a 2004 Ford Taurus, but I'm trying to manipulate her into trading it in for a HAH.

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Old 12-12-2004, 11:22 PM
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we now own the prius :-D

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1. Just sold a 1991 Toyota 4Runner (168k) that was getting 23-25 mpg.

2. 1996 Mercury Mountaineer (V8) - soon to be replaced by a Toyota Highlander hybrid (for use in on road in snow and mountains).

3. Trek 5200 - very aerodynamic with flattened spokes and aero bars. Very nice for extended daily rides and triathlons. Part of the Lance Armstrong - Trek legacy.

4. 2005 Toyota Prius (6-month wait, received in late October 2005). It is an AT-PZEV, averages 53-56 mpg, is well designed, has a good sound system and matches my driving style.

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