Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
#41
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
Hey Freak, did they find anything out? This is definitely a problem. My '05 kicks in the rear almost immediately, and I've personally experienced one of three things. Either I'm really stuck, and both front and back dig a hole. Or I easily move on, or the back end is kicked out.
Of course when the back end kicks out, it's because I wanted it to.
Of course when the back end kicks out, it's because I wanted it to.
I have had this car in the shop several times (Blend Door Actuator, Control Head, Transmission Cooling Pump, Rear Axle Seal) which I think this is ridiculous for an 2008 vehicle with 70,000 miles. We also have a Subaru with 200,000 miles on it and it has been in the shop 1 time and that was only for new belts. I have always been a Ford man, but the last few haven't been the best experiences for me It is just outside of warranty and so I would have to pay out of pocket. I really think my best option at this point is to sell it and get a vehicle with a real 4wd system. I love the great feul economy, but the repair costs far outway the benefits of 29 mpg. Unfortunately, I think I will try something other than Ford this time
#42
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
The had it for a couple of days and decided that I needed a new PCM and some kind of control that is located in the rear end (don't remember what they called it) When I asked them how much, they said it would cost about $2600. Now I don't know if this would actually fix it, or if they figure they would just replace everything and hope it fixes it, but from my conversations with them, I suspect the latter.
I have had this car in the shop several times (Blend Door Actuator, Control Head, Transmission Cooling Pump, Rear Axle Seal) which I think this is ridiculous for an 2008 vehicle with 70,000 miles. We also have a Subaru with 200,000 miles on it and it has been in the shop 1 time and that was only for new belts. I have always been a Ford man, but the last few haven't been the best experiences for me It is just outside of warranty and so I would have to pay out of pocket. I really think my best option at this point is to sell it and get a vehicle with a real 4wd system. I love the great feul economy, but the repair costs far outway the benefits of 29 mpg. Unfortunately, I think I will try something other than Ford this time
I have had this car in the shop several times (Blend Door Actuator, Control Head, Transmission Cooling Pump, Rear Axle Seal) which I think this is ridiculous for an 2008 vehicle with 70,000 miles. We also have a Subaru with 200,000 miles on it and it has been in the shop 1 time and that was only for new belts. I have always been a Ford man, but the last few haven't been the best experiences for me It is just outside of warranty and so I would have to pay out of pocket. I really think my best option at this point is to sell it and get a vehicle with a real 4wd system. I love the great feul economy, but the repair costs far outway the benefits of 29 mpg. Unfortunately, I think I will try something other than Ford this time
That dealer your dealing with is ripping you off big time!
GaryG
#43
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
A new PCM? you got ripped-off. Even if the PCM was causing the problem it can be reprogrammed. If it otherwise drove fine, you didn't need a new PCM. My PCM went bad and my FEH had to be towed to the dealer. The as built data is stored in the non-active part of the PCM so if the active part of the PCM gets corrupted, the techs can retrieve that data and reprogram the active side of the PCM. I had this happen and the tech and the workshop manual explains all of this.
That dealer your dealing with is ripping you off big time!
GaryG
That dealer your dealing with is ripping you off big time!
GaryG
As far as the rearend goes, other than oil seals, it's unrepairable and replaced as a entire unit. There's only one two wire control cable that goes to the ATC unit in the rearend, no sensors, controls, etc. back there at all.
#44
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GaryG
#45
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
A tech can use their IDS(computer) to command the rearend with 100% torque but that would go through the controls. I'd pull the connector on the rearend and put 12V right on it to check its mechanical/electrical operation in one step. Of course, the manual lists the whole series of tests to perform on the 4WD module/ATC unit and its wiring.
Along the same lines, does reprogaming fix all problems?
The only one I've ever heard of was a FE, a few years old that the ATC unit froze up in the locked position.
#47
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
I really don't think replacing the PCM or reprogramming the existing one was the problem. If the PCM was not damaged and all other functions of the vehicle worked, why replace it? I was just saying why throw out the baby with the bath water if PCM was not working properly. A new PCM requires the existing program to be installed that's in the old PCM. If the PCM was damaged and the data can't be retrieved, the tech has to get the as built data from Ford from his VIN. It is very rare to replace a PCM.
GaryG
GaryG
#48
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
I really don't think replacing the PCM or reprogramming the existing one was the problem. If the PCM was not damaged and all other functions of the vehicle worked, why replace it? I was just saying why throw out the baby with the bath water if PCM was not working properly. A new PCM requires the existing program to be installed that's in the old PCM. If the PCM was damaged and the data can't be retrieved, the tech has to get the as built data from Ford from his VIN. It is very rare to replace a PCM.
GaryG
GaryG
All they have to do is follow the tests in the manual.
#49
Re: Ford Escape Hybrid 4WD just spins on snow and ice
Yes, in about the same way that they make sure that the dealer service personnel are made fully aware of truly important TSB's. TSB's that do not apply unless the customer complains of a problem specific to a TSB that expires with the warranty period.
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