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Old 03-15-2007, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by mppkll
If you go with the relay use a reed switch relay to avoid relay contact problem later.
That is exactly what I ended up doing... that was the trip to Radio Shack.

It solved my problem by completely disconnecting the Bluetooth kit's Mute control from the Nav radio whenever power is off.

But you are right. It was poor design by the Bluetooth kit designers.

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Also, don't connect anything to the "Accessoy Enable" pin on the power plug of the NAV. This pin is used for "Retained accessory power" connecting something there could cause the NAV to stay on.
Well, the "Accessory Enable" is really simply switched 12v power, and that's the power that is maintained 'on' after the vehicle is turned 'off', and until the driver's door is opened. Lots of things are powered off of that, including the windows and the sun roof. I doubt that the adding the Bluetooth kit to it, will effect anything. Matter of fact, I actually "tapped" into it, at the sun roof fuse since I don't have a sun roof. I figured that there was a circuit designed to supply up to 20 amps, but wasn't being used.

As I mentioned, the real oddity is that apparently grounding the Mute input on the Nav radio not only enables the Phone audio inputs, but also will force the Nav radio 'on' even if the vehicle is 'off' (key removed from ignition, driver's door opened, etc). I never expected that to happen.
 
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:50 AM
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Well, the "Accessory Enable" is really simply switched 12v power, and that's the power that is maintained 'on' after the vehicle is turned 'off', and until the driver's door is opened. Lots of things are powered off of that, including the windows and the sun roof. I doubt that the adding the Bluetooth kit to it, will effect anything. Matter of fact, I actually "tapped" into it, at the sun roof fuse since I don't have a sun roof. I figured that there was a circuit designed to supply up to 20 amps, but wasn't being used.
Correct! The reason I was giving a warning here was that I had a friend that wired a trailer light controller that needed a constant on and an ignition source for the +12. He used the retained accessory line for the ignition source. He later had a problem with his trailer lights that damaged his controller and caused a feedback of power from the battery to the retained accessory line this caused his accessories to stay on until his battery died. So not knowing your hands free kit but knowing that there are other design problems with it......

To be safe I'd put a low amperage fuse (just higher then the hands free kits rating) in line with the constant power source it will protect your battery and vehicle if you do get a power feed back to the accessory enable. This should already be done in the hands free kit but unless you see an inline fuse holder you might want to add it
 

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Old 03-15-2007, 05:22 PM
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Would this ever be a desirable feature? Such as wanted to make / receive a phone call with the key out of the ignition? I'm not trying to wire mine, so I'm just asking out of curiosity.
-John

Originally Posted by WaltPA
As I mentioned, the real oddity is that apparently grounding the Mute input on the Nav radio not only enables the Phone audio inputs, but also will force the Nav radio 'on' even if the vehicle is 'off' (key removed from ignition, driver's door opened, etc). I never expected that to happen.
 
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Old 03-16-2007, 04:19 AM
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Would this ever be a desirable feature? Such as wanted to make / receive a phone call with the key out of the ignition? I'm not trying to wire mine, so I'm just asking out of curiosity.
-John
Yes.


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Actually, I guess I can see this as a feature. Any Bluetooth kit can "command" the Nav system to turn back 'on', and switch to its Phone audio input, regardless of the car being 'on' or 'off'.
 
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Old 03-20-2007, 04:32 PM
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Hey folks, how about the '08? I thought I noticed the Bluetooth emblem on my phone come on one day, but I can't figure out anything about how it might work. Thanks for any info.
 
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Old 09-24-2007, 09:10 AM
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any new info about the 08?

I'm looking to buy one and I'm picking my options and can't believe there's no bluetooth option from the factory.

My wife's car came with it and I'm hooked. So even if I have to add something aftermarket I will...
 
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:56 AM
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any new info about the 08?

I'm looking to buy one and I'm picking my options and can't believe there's no bluetooth option from the factory.

My wife's car came with it and I'm hooked. So even if I have to add something aftermarket I will...
The FE/MM aren't being offered the Microsoft Sync option (which includes Bluetooth). At least not yet.

That makes the FE/MM the only two new models, with this particular Nav system, that is not being offered the Sync. Hopefully, Ford will correct that, and offer it as an upgrade.
 
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Old 09-24-2007, 12:31 PM
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for those that missed it- I saw this discussing the NAV unit being the same as for Lincoln.

Originally Posted by DavidH
It is the same. My 08 nav is dealer installed, and they mistakenly gave me the Navigator NAV supplement. It has the steering wheel controls, the mirror interface, bluetooth, back seat dvd controls, and a backup camera.

here:

https://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/...reply&p=143411
 
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:26 AM
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Thanks to Mike for providing the pinout information for the stereo system. By using the information given above I was able to successfully install Parrot CK3000 Evolution instead of CK3100. Also the keypad of CK3000 EVO nicely fitted under the 4WD sign on the dashboard (see attached picture).

Here is the wiring information of my installation (refer to the original diagram at the beginning of this post for Ford / Visteon Escape Hybrid NAV radio pinouts):

There are two connectors attached to the CK3000 EVO Bluetooth Unit (see attached picture). The full harness that also included the mute circuitry was not needed as all required connections were directly on those 2 connectors.

White connector with 3 wires is for the power (those are same as CK3100 and all of them are used):
- Red: 12 Volt (connect to pin 1 of Power connector)
- Orange: 12V Ignition (connect to pin 3 of Power connector)
- Black: Ground (connect to pin 2 of Power connector - the original diagram was suggesting pin 6 for ground connection, but my car didn't have any wire there)

Black connector with 7 wires is for the audio and controls. The wires on one row are going to the keypad connector with very short wires (do not touch those), the wires on the other row are going to the mute circuitry within a jacketed cable, and there are 5 wires there (only 3 of them are used):
- White: Phone Audio - (connect to pin 9 of Accessory / NAV jack)
- Black: Ground (not used)
- Red: Phone Audio + (connect to pin 8 of Accessory / NAV jack)
- Blue: Mute (connect to pin 4 of Accessory / NAV jack)
- Yellow: 12V Ignition (not used)
 
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Last edited by akkok; 08-21-2014 at 03:57 PM.
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