GreenHybrid Interactive Hybrid Car Resource
Home Discuss Articles Compare Share Shop
GreenHybrid.com   Hybrid Car Forums   Tech Information   Mileage & Specs   Photo Gallery   Buying Guide  
GreenHybrid Mileage Database - Click here to track your MPG! Join Hybrid car discussions today - Create a FREE GreenHybrid Account

Go Back   GreenHybrid - Hybrid Cars > Hybrid Cars > Ford Motor Company > Ford Escape Hybrid

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 07-17-2008, 08:43 PM
Active Enthusiast
 
Hybrids: 2006 Ford Escape Hybrid
Posts: 50
Default No A/C When in EV Mode

Has anyone developed a "work-around" to address this issue? It would be nice for the A/C to run when in EV mode, especially on these 90-degree days where rolling the windows down does not even help. Does this issue still exist with MY 2009?

I believe the FEH/MMH/MTH are the only hybrids that do this. I wonder why Ford did this.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 03:33 AM
Pretty Darn Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Chris
Location: Southeast Coastline
Hybrids: 2008 Ford Escape Hybrid 2wd
Posts: 314
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

There is no work around for this issue other than coming out of EV. In the FEH, the engine turns the A/C compressor (via the Serpentine Belt) and no compressor RPM = no coolant.

In the 2008 model you can turn off the Econ mode to force the FEH out of EV and bring on the cool air. There's probably a similar strategy in the 2006 but others will have to comment on that.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 05:42 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Hybrids: Ordered 09 FEH
Posts: 53
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

I wonder if you could put one of these in the back and run it off the 110v outlet.
Soleus 7000BTU Portable A/C
Features And Specifications:
Programmable 24-hour Auto On/Off Timer
Adjustable Thermostat
Easy-To-Read Multi-Color Display
Programmable Remote Control
3 Speed Fan with Oscillation & Auto Restart
Loss of Power Protection
Auto Mode Chooses the Comfort Settings for you
Model: PE2-07R-62
Cooling Capacity: 7,000 BTU/Hr
Dehumidifying Capacity: 50 pts/day
Power Consumption: 910 W (Cooling)
Air Flow Volume: 285CFM
Power Source: 115 V / 60 HZ
Rated Current: 8.4 A (Cooling)
Sound Pressure Level: <40 db(A)
Weight: 62.8 lbs
Dimensions: 12.98” (W) x 22.17” (D) x 27.78” (H)
Refrigerant: R22
Recommended for rooms up to 200 sq. ft.

Of course we would have to take into consideration the increase in the amount of ICE run time to recharge the battery. It would be interesting to see the FE differences between using one of these units or the ICE A/C unit.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 06:33 AM
Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Tim
Hybrids: 2006 Escape 4WD
Posts: 1,318
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

Quote:
Originally Posted by twolostminds View Post
I wonder if you could put one of these in the back and run it off the 110v outlet.
Soleus 7000BTU Portable A/C
Features And Specifications:
Programmable 24-hour Auto On/Off Timer
Adjustable Thermostat
Easy-To-Read Multi-Color Display
Programmable Remote Control
3 Speed Fan with Oscillation & Auto Restart
Loss of Power Protection
Auto Mode Chooses the Comfort Settings for you
Model: PE2-07R-62
Cooling Capacity: 7,000 BTU/Hr
Dehumidifying Capacity: 50 pts/day
Power Consumption: 910 W (Cooling)
Air Flow Volume: 285CFM
Power Source: 115 V / 60 HZ
Rated Current: 8.4 A (Cooling)
Sound Pressure Level: <40 db(A)
Weight: 62.8 lbs
Dimensions: 12.98” (W) x 22.17” (D) x 27.78” (H)
Refrigerant: R22
Recommended for rooms up to 200 sq. ft.

Of course we would have to take into consideration the increase in the amount of ICE run time to recharge the battery. It would be interesting to see the FE differences between using one of these units or the ICE A/C unit.
The onboard 120V outlet is rated for 150W from memory... that thing pulls 910W. No chance.....
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 07:40 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Jason
Hybrids: 2007 FEH
Posts: 90
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeeSter View Post
The onboard 120V outlet is rated for 150W from memory... that thing pulls 910W. No chance.....
Even if the 110 outlet COULD handle the wattage, you'd pull your battery down so fast that the car would run the gas engine to charge the HV battery...you'd then have A/C anyway.

It's a vicious circle.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 07:56 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Hybrids: Ordered 09 FEH
Posts: 53
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

I have posted some questions to the solar pv groups, ecomodders and alternative energy forums in hopes of finding a small a/c unit that can cool a 30 or 40 square foot room/closet. Something that small "may" pull a small enough amount of watts to make it worth it. Anyone know how many BTU's the FEH's a/c is?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 08:57 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Robert
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Hybrids: 2008 FEH and 2006 BMW 325i
Posts: 96
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

Ideally I'd think you would be best with a small wine chiller cooler. However these are very expensive.

.

My car (for the most part):


My old car, now the new bride's car:
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 09:52 AM
Pretty Darn Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: willard west
Location: Beautiful Pacific NW
Hybrids: 2003 Prius
Posts: 439
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

An ideal A/C system for a hybrid would be one with a "dual" drive mode compressor. Use the ICE for drive when it's running anyway but for "other" reasons, and electric otherwise.

In the meantime elctric drive only seems the best compromise.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 10:08 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Robert
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Hybrids: 2008 FEH and 2006 BMW 325i
Posts: 96
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

But wouldn't running the A/C with the battery power drain the battery much quicker than it already does just driving in the electric mode?

It seems that Ford deals with it quite well. If you want the A/C on, just hit the ECON button off and your engine will run at the stop light and it will blow hot air.

.

My car (for the most part):


My old car, now the new bride's car:
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 07-18-2008, 10:47 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Hybrids: Ordered 09 FEH
Posts: 53
Default Re: No A/C When in EV Mode

Well...the first hurdle is finding portable 2000 - 5000 BTU self evaporative a/c units.
Then, how many watts they need to run. (7800 BTU units need about 670 Watts)
Next, would it be more efficeint to run tthe electric a/c full time (both EV and ICE) or just during EV, or just during ICE. Will the reduction of the ICE a/c compressor load be more than the electrical load created by running the 110v compressor?

My laymans curriosity has been heated by the heat. lol
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Topic Starter Forum Replies Last Post
ECO A/C Mode impact on MPG kluken Toyota Camry Hybrid 31 09-08-2007 01:30 PM
25% of the time, never goes into EV mode C11634 Toyota Camry Hybrid 7 12-24-2006 11:08 AM
Defrost = Air Conditioning = ICE on cbmamherst Ford Escape Hybrid 22 11-07-2006 10:55 PM
ECO mode question with A/C OFF... agnosto Toyota Camry Hybrid 1 10-27-2006 04:16 AM
Does the A/C work while in electric mode? bg1811 Toyota Camry Hybrid 8 06-04-2006 10:00 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:35 AM.


Home | Hybrid Discussion Forums | Hybrid Articles Archive | Mileage Database | Hybrid Photo Galleries | Compare Vehicles
Terms of Service - Privacy Policy - Advertising
GreenHybrid.com, Copyright 2008
InternetBrands.com Automotive Network

SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51