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12-10-2007, 06:19 AM
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Re: Traction Control?
That's not really traction control...it's stability control. It prevents you from spinning out. But yes, it does work with traction control so there lies the confusion.
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12-10-2007, 06:35 AM
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Re: Traction Control?
We all need to be clear about the differences between 2008 and the 3 earlier years.
I'm 100% sure there is NO TRACTION CONTROL in 2005.
I've driven 2006, and 2007, and have read all the manuals. I've seen no direct mention of "Traction Control" in any, but have the least amount of experience with 2008. These cars do lots of funky things once in a while. We need someone to do a test repeatedly in a 2008.... IE floor it on ice and see if the wheels spin or not. In my 2005 I can get wheels at 40 miles per hour when I am standing still.
IMHO 2008 might have this feature.
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Originally Posted by pb5927317
The Hybrid has to have traction control.
I just doesnt have the anti-rollover(a.k.a. driving to fast in a corner) protection?
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12-10-2007, 08:11 AM
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Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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Re: Traction Control?
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Originally Posted by gpsman1
We need someone to do a test repeatedly in a 2008.... IE floor it ...
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I thought we would get the cr@p beaten out of us, if we ever floored our hybrids? 
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12-10-2007, 08:19 AM
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Re: Traction Control?
anti-rollover, stability control... they are just different names for the same thing. It controls yaw. The system detects the vechicle is doing something it shouldn't, and tries to correct it by applying brakes to the various corners of the car to correct it. In AWD system, the system could also apply power to a corner of a car to compensate.
In a FWD vechile, traction control is limited to the front wheels. It limits the amount of slipage that a wheel can have under certain conditions. If you floor it on ice, the system should compensate by not letting your rev to max. In some system, the motor itself cuts power, in other systems it works with the brakes. The brakes engage to slow the spinning wheel down.
There are conditions where traction control has to be turned off. If you start from a dead stop on ice, chances are your traction control system will stall your car. Traction control works best when there is forward momentum already.
DSC...(I'll use the term my MINI S has). Dynamic Stability Control (aka yaw control, anti-rollover, etc). Chances of you rolling over a MINI is pretty slim, hence the name (anti-rollover system) is used in SUVs. What this system does, is it works in combination with ABS and Traction Control. The best place to show off DSC is on a rotary (circle, round about, etc) under wet conditions. With the system on, the driver can floor the accelarator and the car will NOT spin out going around the rotary. In fact it is so good that you as a driver can not beat the time it takes to go around in wet conditons (with the system OFF). The system works all the time, not just under braking conditions. In the case of going around the rotary, I am flooring it. In the case of a lane change under emergency braking, the system kicks in to prevent the car from spinning and then the ABS takes over. Again, it works in combination with ABS and traction control.
Hope that helps.
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12-10-2007, 08:31 AM
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Re: Traction Control?
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Originally Posted by WaltPA
I thought we would get the cr@p beaten out of us, if we ever floored our hybrids? 
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That's why I had to try it in a deserted parking lot at 3am.

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12-10-2007, 08:59 AM
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Real Name: Bryan
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Re: Traction Control?
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Originally Posted by gpsman1
We all need to be clear about the differences between 2008 and the 3 earlier years.
I'm 100% sure there is NO TRACTION CONTROL in 2005.
I've driven 2006, and 2007, and have read all the manuals. I've seen no direct mention of "Traction Control" in any, but have the least amount of experience with 2008. These cars do lots of funky things once in a while. We need someone to do a test repeatedly in a 2008.... IE floor it on ice and see if the wheels spin or not. In my 2005 I can get wheels at 40 miles per hour when I am standing still.
IMHO 2008 might have this feature.
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There is confusion abount the different features and wheather they are present in the FEH or not.
ABS - is braking control - Obviousy we do have all years
Traction Control - To prevent spinout on acceleration. 2005-2007 is confirmed to not have, 2008 not sure yet. I will go play later, after all the rain has finished, I'm not into scraping the windows twice if I don't have to, and since I have no need to go anywhere, I'm not! Gosh that feels great to say! 10-20 years ago I'd be itching to go out in the cold & ice!
Stability Control (ASC is it?) - Rollover prevention - Hybrids do not have, gas cousins do.
I made a picture page of our ice storm, you can get there from my sig link.


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Mods: Tint front to match, Cargo Cover, Keyless Pad, Flaps, Side Moldings.
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12-10-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: Traction Control?
Bryan.... looks like you picked the correct color!

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12-10-2007, 11:09 AM
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Real Name: Bryan
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Re: Traction Control?
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Originally Posted by gpsman1
Bryan.... looks like you picked the correct color!

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Yea.. thanks  (slow quiet sulky voice)
But Yes I love the color, real Ice Blue or not! 

2008 Escape Hybrid FWD
Ice Blue w/Chrome Pkg
Moonroof
Leather Premiem pkg
http://www.starlinkdss.com/Escape.htm
Mods: Tint front to match, Cargo Cover, Keyless Pad, Flaps, Side Moldings.
Want to add Chrome Bug Shield
2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer
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12-10-2007, 12:51 PM
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Real Name: Walt
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA
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Re: Traction Control?
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Originally Posted by gpsman1
Bryan.... looks like you picked the correct color!

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His MMH was red, no? 
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12-10-2007, 01:29 PM
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Real Name: Bryan
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Re: Traction Control?
Well 1/2 after starting to scrape off ice I was able to get in. I only moved 20' in my driveway, but punched it in R then in D both times spun out. only did it for a secont, but if I had traction control I assume it would have kicked in by then.

2008 Escape Hybrid FWD
Ice Blue w/Chrome Pkg
Moonroof
Leather Premiem pkg
http://www.starlinkdss.com/Escape.htm
Mods: Tint front to match, Cargo Cover, Keyless Pad, Flaps, Side Moldings.
Want to add Chrome Bug Shield
2000 Expedition Eddie Bauer
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