Non Hybrid Accord MPG - GreenHybrid

merlin180 · #1 (**permalink**) 05-24-2005, 05:35 PM

Hi all,

Does anyone have real world FE figures for NON-Hybrid Accords (I-4, V6 etc).

I'm on my HAH third tank - I would like to know what the MPG might have been if I hadn't gone the Hybrid Route

GreenAndBlue · #2 (**permalink**) 05-24-2005, 06:53 PM

There are two I4 Accords in the database. Why not check them out ?

I'll warn you that Xcel's results with his brand new I4 sedan are a bit atypical - he's one of the very best at squeezing every drop out of a gallon, no matter what vehicle he's driving. I daresay he could get 25mpg with a Hummer H2 (just over 2x it's 'real-world' rating, as it's not subject to EPA testing)

That being said, I'll guess about 30-32 in mixed driving with the I4, and 24-25 with the V6. I had a '01 V6 coupe, and got 23-24 pretty consistently in 'normal' (not hypermile style) driving. The 7th-gen Accords are slightly better rated, mpg-wise, than the 6th-gen. People that report on their mileage on the Accord forums post higher for all-highway trips... from 39-42 with the I4, and about 30-34 with the V6. This is, of course, depending on several factors; chief among them, speed.

Comparing the current I4 to the HAH, EPA-wise, the HAH comes out on the plus side by 1-2 mpg on both city and highway. Meaning that you have the potential to (& eventually should) do *better* than the I4 car, once your engine is broken in. On your 3rd tank, it's not, yet (look for initial break-in between 1200-1700mi; you'll know when it occurs).

Finally, I'll guess that had you gone w/ the I4, you'd get significantly less than the EPA rating with that one as well, at this point in time. Sorry to be judgmental, but at this point, I'm thinking the car is fine...it's the driver or the drive conditions that's at fault

Lewis · #3 (**permalink**) 05-24-2005, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin180

Hi all,

Does anyone have real world FE figures for NON-Hybrid Accords (I-4, V6 etc).

I'm on my HAH third tank - I would like to know what the MPG might have been if I hadn't gone the Hybrid Route

Though our 1998 4cyl Accord now has 140,000 miles on it, and may not be a good comparison to the 05 HAH, I'm getting 34 mpg with it on the same commute that I get 35-37, with a couple of 42 mpg trips lately in warmer weather with the HAH.
Lewis

merlin180 · #4 (**permalink**) 05-24-2005, 07:27 PM

>>> I'll warn you that Xcel's results with his brand new I4 sedan are a bit atypical
I''ll say !! - does he push it up the hills

>>> On your 3rd tank, it's not, yet (look for initial break-in between 1200-1700mi; you'll know when it occurs).
I hope so ... I'm just coming up on that point so we'll see what happens

>>> but at this point, I'm thinking the car is fine...it's the driver or the drive conditions that's at fault
What leads you to that conclusion?

GreenAndBlue · #5 (**permalink**) 05-24-2005, 10:47 PM

My sincere apologies. I had you confused with another recent arrival to the site.

xcel · #6 (**permalink**) 05-25-2005, 01:08 AM

Hi Merlin180:

___Given my 2 hours + behind the wheel of GreenAndBlue’s AH, the AH is probably worth 3 - 5 mpg more out on the highway then my I4. At least it felt that way on our trip to the Madison Hybrid Group meet last month? I mentioned to GreenAndBlue that the AH when setup like my I4 is today may be worth darn near 60 mpg under perfect conditions over a segment. The following pic may bare this out?

___The screenshot below is from my non-hybrid I4’s NAVI – Trip Computer. I really had to push her to the limits yesterday afternoon for this. Conditions included a beautiful 10 - 15 miles per hour tailwind for ~ 2/3 of the segment and excellent but heavy traffic conditions with the binders only applied maybe 4 or 5 times. I could have used another 5 - 10 degrees and another 10,000 miles on the clock (just 68 - 72 degrees F and she has < 9,000 on the odometer for this particular segment) but like GreenAndBlue posted earlier, do not use my averages as any kind of barometer since I really push my vehicles vs. the regular Accord drivers unscientifically reporting 21 - 40 mpg in both an all-city and/or mostly-highway type driving. You can find many 7th gen Accord - MPG threads over at DriveAccord.net if you are interested? With the vague FE being reported by the non-hybrid Accord owners over there (most anyway), remember that they are not tracking tank over tank or even segment after segment like we do over here. Who really knows if they are actually receiving this type of FE in their own Accord’s while driving in their particular conditions? Most drivers, no matter what they drive do not come anywhere near the EPA estimates but the std. Accord’s are usually good for an EPA average if the pilot isn’t a crazy SOB like some I have seen out on the Interstates as of late

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___Finally, do not worry about the comparison. Your AH is one powerful AND efficient automobile. When you need 0 - 60 in < 7 seconds, it is available with a hard application of the accelerator. When you need to receive 40 + mpg’s, it will be available as well. The non-hybrid I4 and V6’s do not have this dual capability no matter how much we wish it to be by a long shot. If you ever get the chance to drive a 7th gen Accord I4, you will notice a performance difference even if you normally run in the AH’s “ECO mode” (as you always should

).

___GreenAndBlue, it is almost time for that record segment. I have the perfect route planned out for you. Within 3 or 4 weeks, weather and traffic conditions permitting (light tail wind, higher temps, heavy but fast moving northbound traffic) you will receive the segment of a lifetime! One other thing, that 44 #’s isn’t going to cut it … When running for a segment record, we will fill her shoes until she is literally floating on air

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Waynegerdes@earthlink.net

merlin180 · #7 (**permalink**) 05-25-2005, 07:33 AM

>>> My sincere apologies. I had you confused with another recent arrival to the site.

No Problem - I just thought maybe you'd "seen" something that would help the MPG.

In general I don't drive with a lead foot, but I don't drive for extreme MPG either. The Accord was the first hybrid model/body style I was happy to drive - the fact that it was based on the V6 instead of the I4 was a secondary issue.

merlin180 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-25-2005, 07:59 AM

>>> If you ever get the chance to drive a 7th gen Accord I4,
I guess my original question comes about because I've never previously owned an Accord of any kind - it's hard to compare the advantage of the V6 power (only when needed of course

) vs the I4's FE.

My previous car was a 97 Honda Civic MT which I think I was getting something around 39 MPG (never measured it accurately) on a (14 mile hwy, 4 mile town) commute

GreenAndBlue · #9 (**permalink**) 05-25-2005, 12:54 PM

OMG...Xcel's getting 53 @ 60, on a K24 ???

Wayne - good to hear from you again...I'm going to discuss your proposition via PM.

Back to the original topic... yes, the J30A produces very good mid-range power, making it an excellent highway engine (my old commute up until a couple of years ago was 2x as far as it is now, and almost all highway, but took me through Chicago's loop - a commute from hell

). Honda's V6 engines are a little weaker in the low end by comparison, but the Hybrid's extra 100 ft/lb torque available from 1000rpm onward certainly alleviates that problem

Notwithstanding the extra power, it makes the Accord a much more refined car (if slighly nose-heavy, especially in the EX-V6 trim). That, plus the amenities exclusive to the EX-V6 & Hybrid trim levels make the car in V6 trim desireable in my book. I commute nearly every day to work - I want that commute to be as comfortable as possible for my money, with as few hassles as possible, which include not stopping every 5 days for $30 worth of gasoline. The fact that I can be green at the same time is icing on the cake.