GreenHybrid Interactive Hybrid Car Resource
Home Discuss Articles Compare Share Shop
GreenHybrid.com   Hybrid Car Forums   Tech Information   Mileage & Specs   Photo Gallery   Buying Guide  
GreenHybrid Mileage Database - Click here to track your MPG! Join Hybrid car discussions today - Create a FREE GreenHybrid Account

Go Back   GreenHybrid - Hybrid Cars > Miscellaneous Forums > Website Questions & Input

Website Questions & Input Suggestions and inquiries about GreenHybrid are welcome here.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 12:31 PM
Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Don
Hybrids: Prius 2007
Posts: 24
Default MPG manual calculation a must!

Toyota Prius computer exagerate MPG

I love my Prius. But:

Every tank I gas up, my MPG manual calculation from tank to tank is 5 MPG lower than Prius built-in computer display.

Green Hybrid web master should mandate all users to use manual caculation. As a group, we can see which model has an acurate MPG according to its computer display.

This is a separate issue than all hybrid cars re-evalueated every manufacturer's EPA, starting from 2008 models. Thank god they became more realistic.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 01:46 PM
Qslugs's Avatar
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Mike
Location: Oak Park, IL
Hybrids: Toyota Camry Hybrid
Posts: 101
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

Yep, the Camry in my opinion is about 1-1.5 mpg off as well. I usually add my numbers up manually - take millage and divide it by gallons of gas in car at time of fill up. I think thats how most of the people around here do it actually. I have a stack of receipts dating back to my cars purchase.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 02:12 PM
wdmark's Avatar
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Mark
Hybrids: 2007 TCH-Navless-Bridgestones-KY
Posts: 69
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

Ironically I just added another tank to the database on my TCH. For all my entries to date I've used the MPG off the TCH display. I usually refill at about 1/4 tank but today was a top off for holiday travel. Miles traveled 127 and MPG per display of 40.6 I was happy as this was above average for me and after trying some new things (i.e. no AC here in FL & 40PSI Tire pressure. But, as posted in my cryptic notes for this tank in the database:

"First Partial Tank with no AC use & after increasing Tire Pressure to aprox 40 PSI. I enter MPG from TCH display and this was much higher BUT purchased 3.495 Gallons for 127 Miles which is actually 36.337 MPG?"

Seems like a material difference to me. BTW purchased fuel where I almost always do and I always allow the pump automatic shutoff to do its thing. I have records of each tank that would allow me to go back and sample or calculate manually...and I just might....but for now I've got to burn some unknown amount of fuel. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 04:00 PM
Mr. Kite's Avatar
Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: John
Location: Colorado
Hybrids: 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid, 2007 Toyota Highlander Hybrid
Posts: 709
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

You better use GPS to calculate miles driven while you're at it. Those odometers can be quite a bit off.

.






Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 05:02 PM
MPG FANATIC WITH GUZZLERS
 
Real Name: CHARLIE
Location: New Orleans
Hybrids: Prius 2006
Posts: 521
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

Hey,same here.My running total on the Prius display is always 3-5 gallons more optimistic than actual.It usually reads 45-46 for the tank, but actual calculations say 41-43.
Thanks,
Charlie
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 08:50 PM
Active Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Marc
Location: Arlington Heights, IL (Chicagoland)
Hybrids: 2007 TCH - Desert Sand - Nav & Leather
Posts: 214
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

A caution on using tank averages on the Prius. From what I have heard, the fuel tank bladder can make the capacity of the tank vary from tank to tank.

Best way is probably to do a tank average average (many tanks) to derive an offset to the indicated MPG. Once you know the offset, use the indicated display and offset it.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 08:58 PM
Enthusiast
 
Real Name: Don
Hybrids: Prius 2007
Posts: 24
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

My Prius computer displays CONSISTENTLY 5 MPG more than the actual, every tank!

I bet there is not a single car, any make, displays lower MPG than manual.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 11-21-2007, 11:31 PM
Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
 
Hybrids: 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid
Posts: 1,108
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

I have about 36 tanks now.
For the first 20 or so I religiously compared the dash to the pump.
The dash averaged 1.4 MPG lower than the pump.

I have always entered my miles driven and gallons pumped and let the database calculate the MPG.

Funny, in my first generation Civic Hybrid, 2004, it was a couple MPG the other way.

.

Need fewer troops to support.
Drive a hybrid.
Best tank 71.65 MPG.

Before this car I spent two years learning hypermiling on my 2004 HCH1.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 11-22-2007, 01:25 AM
Energy Independence
 
Real Name: Steve
Location: Richardson, TX
Hybrids: '06 Civic Hybrid Magnetic Pearl w/Navi (as of July 1, 2006)
Posts: 1,167
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

Quote:
Originally Posted by New Yorker View Post
I bet there is not a single car, any make, displays lower MPG than manual.
Not true! It appears that the Honda Civic Hybrid 2006-up generally displays a little less MPG than actually calculating it. My car certainly does (usually). I keep notes for each fill-up in the GreenHybrid Database of displayed MPG, Actual (calculated) MPG and price paid. Check it out.

Regardless, I think calculating it is the only (close to) accurate method.

.

Steve

STOP terrorism - Drive a HYBRID

Vehicles:
350 miles a week ------------ 2006 HCH II, Magnetic Pearl, w/NAVI (born on May 25, 2006)
350 miles a month ---------- 2003 Mazda Tribute ES-V6
350 miles a year (for now) - 1986 Mercedes 560SL
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 11-22-2007, 02:51 AM
Active Enthusiast
 
Posts: 76
Default Re: MPG manual calculation a must!

+1 for my 2007 Civic. It is about 1-2 mpg lower than calculated. Every once in a while, it is the same and I am dissappointed. I had a 58.8 computer reading and I thought for sure I would get 60 on manual calculation - but it came in within .1 of the computer.

I do think that most cars come in more optomistic than the screen.

I am not a database person but I would have thought that manual calculations are mandatory. If people are entering it based on the computer estimate, it sounds as if the HCH-II would be a bit better in the real world than the Prius.

My lifetime is about 52.5 computer and almost 54 calculated. 11k miles.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Closed Thread

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Topic Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tried Everything I've Read - MPG Doesn't Budge fcolliga Ford Escape Hybrid 16 11-17-2007 06:58 AM
Another MPG question globalwarming HCH II-Specific Discussions 14 11-09-2006 09:58 PM
Manual vs CVT MPG discrepancy? Nagorak Fuel Economy & Emissions 6 07-18-2006 07:32 PM
personal MPG versus collective MPG coyote General Forum 12 02-27-2006 09:46 PM
1,200 + miles @ 100 + mpg - Prius II Hypermiling "Marathon - Attempt" is a GO! xcel Events & Gatherings 3 08-01-2005 01:46 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:23 AM.


Home | Hybrid Discussion Forums | Hybrid Articles Archive | Mileage Database | Hybrid Photo Galleries | Compare Vehicles
Terms of Service - Privacy Policy - Advertising
GreenHybrid.com, Copyright 2008
InternetBrands.com Automotive Network

SEO by vBSEO 3.2.0

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52