2007 highlander hybrid new design comming out - Page 5 - GreenHybrid

jajohnson · #41 (**permalink**) 11-22-2006, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ndabunka

"Hosed by the media hype" or BURNED by the piss-poor fuel economy. Rated @ 33MPG but according to this sites own database of thousands of HyHi owners, the 4x4 version does NO better than 26MPG. That's an AVERAGE, not one or two people "claims" of superior FE. IMHO Toyota should be SUED for being allowed to claim this truck gets 33MPG when IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!!!

FWIW, IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE EPA RATING. I am able to consistently get 31 MPG (the EPA city rating) on my AWD. This is not to say it is easy, it requires a change in attitude and driving style. Overall I am above the 27 MPG average.

While the EPA ratings are optimized, they ARE achievable.

IMHO, drivers who cannot achieve the EPA ratings have no one to blame but themselves. Accelerate reasonably, drive with a light foot, learn to anticipate traffic conditions and flow, and pay attention to what the guages tell you.

Rowdy · #42 (**permalink**) 12-01-2006, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jajohnson

FWIW, IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE EPA RATING. I am able to consistently get 31 MPG (the EPA city rating) on my AWD. This is not to say it is easy, it requires a change in attitude and driving style. Overall I am above the 27 MPG average.

While the EPA ratings are optimized, they ARE achievable.

IMHO, drivers who cannot achieve the EPA ratings have no one to blame but themselves. Accelerate reasonably, drive with a light foot, learn to anticipate traffic conditions and flow, and pay attention to what the guages tell you.

It is certainly possible to achieve those kinds of numbers - and a change in attitude/style is what it takes. When I first bought my '06 Hihy i4WD, I focused a lot on getting the most out of the mileage and actually did quite well (~28.3 overall). Since then, I've steadily reverted to my heavy-footed ways, and have seen my mileage drop accordingly. My wife, on the other hand, still pays close attention and continues to get 27+ overall mileage.

I just gotta stop being in such a hurry...

JOE540CI · #43 (**permalink**) 12-03-2006, 04:10 PM

I plan to call my toyota sales person on monday to find out more about the 2008 highlander. I'll also ask about the 3 new Prius models that are talked about but There is no pictures out. Heck maybe there a rumor of a camry hy wagon comming

JOE540CI · #44 (**permalink**) 12-05-2006, 08:25 PM

No big news on the new HIHY just that the head sales person said it is going to be well worth waiting for and that he gets so little info on it that I probaly would find out more on the internet sooner than he would,

JOE540CI · #45 (**permalink**) 12-05-2006, 08:43 PM

Autoblog heres a link for all the latest news from toyota and all other mfg.

Rodney12 · #46 (**permalink**) 12-31-2006, 09:55 PM

I cannot wait until January 7th. We'll probably see the new HiHy... And in a completely un-un-related thought...

http://www.economist.com/science/dis...ory_id=8470435

"In the week before Christmas Matsushita let slip that it was ramping up monthly production of a new heat-resistant lithium-ion battery, introduced in April, from 100,000 units to more than 5m units. "

Why would Matsushika need so many Lithium Ion batteries? And aren't they Toyota's latest partner on battery technology... hmmmm...

I'm all aquiver...

JOE540CI · #47 (**permalink**) 01-20-2007, 12:26 AM

Toyota Highlander and Highlander Hybrid will debut in Chicago - Autoblog
This isnt much but its good news

snichol · #48 (**permalink**) 01-23-2007, 12:31 PM

According to Green Car Congress, the Highlander Hybrid 2008 is being unveiled (http://www.greencarcongress.com/2007...generatio.html) at the Chicago Auto Show 2/7/07. Elsewhere, I have read that it will be based on an Avalon platform, increasing in size since the last RAV4 update increased in size as well.

ndabunka · #49 (**permalink**) 01-27-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jajohnson

FWIW, IT IS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE EPA RATING. I am able to consistently get 31 MPG (the EPA city rating) on my AWD. This is not to say it is easy, it requires a change in attitude and driving style. Overall I am above the 27 MPG average.

While the EPA ratings are optimized, they ARE achievable.

IMHO, drivers who cannot achieve the EPA ratings have no one to blame but themselves. Accelerate reasonably, drive with a light foot, learn to anticipate traffic conditions and flow, and pay attention to what the guages tell you.

What an arogant statement! I guess you don't realize that some people getting the poorer fuel economy may not be doing anything wrong but rather the vehicle itself may be broken, faulty, etc? There ARE TSB's out there for various vehicles that the mfg's aren't even telling their dealerships about. This "restriction" of TSB information is a long-held industry technique of containing costs. I had a TSB performed (at my insistance) by my local dealer and guess what...Fuel economy increased nearly 10%!!!! Was my driving at fault, NO. The dealer insisted that I not do anything to the vehicle until the initial 5K service. I complied but when I took it in for service, they said "Oh, the vehicle has to get use to your driving and bring it back in another 5K miles (10K from new)..." all of it was pure BS. Luckily an insider in another valued forum found a TSB stating that improper programming could contribute to reduced fuel economy. Guess what..... He was right!

So, IMHO your statements are un-educated (at the best) and closed minded in the worst way. MY EXPEREINCES HAVE PROVEN YOUR ASSUMPTIONS WRONG....

kdhspyder · #50 (**permalink**) 02-06-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ndabunka

What an arogant statement! I guess you don't realize that some people getting the poorer fuel economy may not be doing anything wrong but rather the vehicle itself may be broken, faulty, etc? There ARE TSB's out there for various vehicles that the mfg's aren't even telling their dealerships about. This "restriction" of TSB information is a long-held industry technique of containing costs. I had a TSB performed (at my insistance) by my local dealer and guess what...Fuel economy increased nearly 10%!!!! Was my driving at fault, NO. The dealer insisted that I not do anything to the vehicle until the initial 5K service. I complied but when I took it in for service, they said "Oh, the vehicle has to get use to your driving and bring it back in another 5K miles (10K from new)..." all of it was pure BS. Luckily an insider in another valued forum found a TSB stating that improper programming could contribute to reduced fuel economy. Guess what..... He was right!

So, IMHO your statements are un-educated (at the best) and closed minded in the worst way. MY EXPEREINCES HAVE PROVEN YOUR ASSUMPTIONS WRONG....

There may be some problematic vehicles as you indicate yours might have been but the much bigger problem is the absolute ignorance of the driving public about what the Fuel Economy numbers represent.

You are a prime example.

From your earlier post you posit that Toyota should be sued for advertising the numbers on the Maroney lable. For someone versed in these sites and presumably in the auto business Toyota is required by law to advertise these numbers - whether they want to or not.

Additionally you state that no one achieves the highest number of 33 mpg and that even on this site the average is 26 mpg. Do you have any idea of how many conditions you blurred together and ignored entirely to make your statement?

I would guess that you like 98%+ of the rest of the driving public have no idea at all of their own personal 'weighted average' fuel economy number might be.