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11-15-2007, 04:21 AM
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Engineering first
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Real Name: Bob
Location: Huntsville, AL
Hybrids: Prius Classic 03
Posts: 5,160
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CARB - making a sensible adjustment
http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=16660
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California ARB Staff Proposes Amendments Favoring Electric Cars
Source: ARB
[Nov 14, 2007]
SYNOPSIS: Among the amendments currently proposed by ARB staff is a method for calculating Equivalent All Electric Range to account for a variety of operating strategies for plug-in hybrid electric vehicles.
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Alternative Path. In 2003, the Board made its most recent amendments to the ZEV program, increasing the ZEV requirement to 16% in 2018. It also defined an alternative path for automaker compliance with the ZEV regulation that was solely designed to advance the commercialization of fuel-cell vehicles. Also, the credit system was adjusted so that one fuel cell vehicle garnered the same credits as 10 battery-electric vehicles. Under the Alt Path, automakers are required to produce their sales-weighted market share of a target number of vehicles during four multi-year implementation phases. With fuel-cell vehicle development not proceeding as expected, ARB has been grappling with whether or not to ease the requirements.
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It wasn't until recently that I understood the role of the California Air Resources Board (CARB) played in distorting new car technologies with the hydrogen fuel-cell fraud. Now the effort to favor fuel-cells had started before they made their decision, it wasn't as if they invented the idea that one fuel-cell vehicle equals 10 regular vehicles. If they'd only insisted that the fuel-cell vehicles had to have 10 times the payload as a regular vehicle, basically small buses, we'd all be happy.
Oh well, no form of new technology proceeds in a straight line without the occasional 'dead end' and spectacular failure. Museums are full of such efforts and are part of how our species moves forward. So I'm not surprised that CARB is making another adjustment, bringing policy inline with reality.
Bob Wilson
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11-15-2007, 12:18 PM
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Prius geek
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Real Name: Curt
Location: Harrisburg, PA
Hybrids: '04 Prius
Posts: 260
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Re: CARB - making a sensible adjustment
Jesus. one fool-cell car EQUALS 10 BEVs? When it takes FOUR times the energy to move a fool-cell car than an all-electrcic car? Four times more efficient is NOT being promoted, but million dollar cars with no fueling infrastructure is? What the f&*k are they smoking? Wow, it is sincerely unbelievavle what a sham ARB is. Idiots!
'04 Seaside Pearl #7. Fumoto oil drain, mudflaps, rear bumper scuff protector & rear warn system, compass mirror, EV mode button, 8" subwoofer in right rear cubby & 6" subs under seats, power lumbar in the front seats, Coastaletech hitch w/ Aspen bike/snowboard rack. iPod2car, 2 amps, Alpine component speakers, and DVD video, solid 47 MPG @ 70000 miles.
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11-15-2007, 12:48 PM
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Engineering first
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Real Name: Bob
Location: Huntsville, AL
Hybrids: Prius Classic 03
Posts: 5,160
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Re: CARB - making a sensible adjustment
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Originally Posted by finman
Jesus. one fool-cell car EQUALS 10 BEVs? When it takes FOUR times the energy to move a fool-cell car than an all-electrcic car? Four times more efficient is NOT being promoted, but million dollar cars with no fueling infrastructure is? What the f&*k are they smoking? Wow, it is sincerely unbelievavle what a sham ARB is. Idiots!
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You've got that one right!
http://www.designnews.com/index.asp?...dustryid=43656
Quote:
Tom Scheffelin, California Air Resources Board -- Design News, November 5, 2007
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The erroneous scientific consensus regarding global warming is a tool to eliminate necessary debate and stifles future scientific progress.
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Why is the global warming hoax perpetuated? Newspapers and magazines sell. Researchers win grants. Government environmental regulators will keep staff busy — forever. Nonprofits that are unable to accomplish their goals through normal means push misguided global warming legislation. Finally, environmental raiders want to plunder our nation's wealth through emission trading schemes.
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Well there you have it. He never addresses the science, the facts and data but exercises EXACTLY THE SAME SINS HE DECRIES!
I will have to wait a day or so before making further comments and my first comments will be to the editors of Design News. I don't mind intelligent debate on any scientific or engineering subject but this hypocrite . . .
Bob Wilson
Last edited by bwilson4web; 11-15-2007 at 12:50 PM.
Reason: POUNDING THE KEYS IN A RED HOT RAGE!
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