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Old 11-20-2007, 07:59 AM
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Wink Hybrid buses' fuel economy promises don't materialize

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/transp...9_metro13.html

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Monday, December 13, 2004
By JANE HADLEY
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER
Expensive new hybrid diesel-electric buses that were portrayed by King County Metro as "green" heroes that would use up to 40 percent less fuel than existing buses have fallen far short of that promise.
In fact, at times, the New Flyer hybrid articulated buses have gotten worse mileage than the often-maligned 1989 dual-mode Breda buses they are replacing. . . .
It is important that folks realize 'hybrid' may not be the best answer in all cases. However, there is some evidence that the engine change had something to do with the poor performance. To work, the electric, battery and engine must be well integrated to work together.

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Old 11-20-2007, 08:24 AM
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Default Re: Hybrid buses' fuel economy promises don't materialize

More specific, it was getting better mileage, but the engine wasn't certified for the new lower emissions standards. The certified engine is far less fuel efficient according to its manufacturer. It's easy to conclude that any new diesel bus (non-hybrid) will also get much reduced fuel mileage, and the hybrid is more efficient.

GM also has hybrid buses. I wonder how they are doing? The whole concept of a hybrid bus is quite old. I remember reading about them being used back in the 1960s. No battery -- a large flywheel was used to store energy. This is certainly the way to go for city use where electric trolleys are impractical.
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Default Re: Hybrid buses' fuel economy promises don't materialize

Before cars became popular, many cities had trolley systems. Eventually most trolley systems were bought out, only to have the tracks covered by asphalt as cars became more mainstream.
In our town you can still see where the trolley tracks were covered over.


Kind of reminds me of the EV-1's...

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