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Old 04-11-2005, 01:08 AM
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heh

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Old 04-12-2005, 11:08 AM
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That guy is nuts. My Civic gets roughly 45-48mpg at 60-70mph. That is what happens when you were raised by a mule....you turn into a jack-***.
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Old 04-12-2005, 01:33 PM
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It is so nice to see that writers in the auto media can be just as biased as the average writer in the employ of the NY Times or the Washington Post. I wouldn't be surprised if this were a "pay off" article. The points made are so poorly constructed and so opposite of many widely known principals, such as basic micro-economics, that the article has to be a commissioned article by forces that are not on board with hybrid-technology.

I guess everyone has their price.

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Old 04-12-2005, 01:40 PM
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I wonder if this guy works for GM?...lol
I was thinking the same thing, LOL.

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Old 04-12-2005, 01:41 PM
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The best real-world mileage you can expect from the likes of a Toyota Prius is around 48 mpg, which really isn't all that much better than most decent cars on the road
Um... first of all, the latter half of this sentence is just plain wrong. Second of all, where exactly did he get this 48 mpg figure? I don't recall ever seeing 48 mpg declared as a real mileage number except here at GreenHybrid. Perhaps he's visited this site and "forgot" to mention it?

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Funny you mention that, Jason, because I thought *exactly* the same thing when I read the article last night.

Since I'm posting here, I'll chime in, briefly.

My take (from memory, and not re-reading the article today) is that the writer has such a utopian view of hydrogen and other non-gasoline alternatives, that he discounts the improvement / advances / conservation accomplished by hybrids so far. Granted, the cars still use gasoline. But...isn't it commendable that they use so much *less* ? And significantly reduce emissions at the same time ?

In summary, the phrase comes to mind...

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

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Old 04-12-2005, 06:46 PM
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You know what we should have here? Articles that are published in order to directly refute the publications of ignorant journalists. Someone should reference "No Hybrid!," for instance, and show the myriad of incorrect statements. Heck, we could turn into the hybrid watchdogs of the media!

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Old 04-12-2005, 07:24 PM
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One thing you need to keep in mind is the incredibly ferocity of the hardliners at GM/Ford/Chrysler who see any technological or marketing advances by non-union companies as a threat on a par with terrorism on our own soil. Signs like this litter the parking lots of auto manufacturers:


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Old 04-12-2005, 07:25 PM
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::chuckle:: First there was the phrase SCLM - So Called Liberal Media.... now we have SCAM - So Called Accurate Media

While I think your idea definitely has merit, I think it key to refute the errors where they originally appeared. And that's where we could come in collectively. Many of us tend to watch for any scraps of articles on hybrids - when we find one worth following up on (good *or* bad), we could learn about it here, and then individually follow up with a letter / email to the publication - in our own words, not using a form / chain letter, so that our individual responses have more force behind them. I've seen threads where some folks do this - but it's on a smaller scale than I would think to be truly effective.

This was actually part of my thinking behind the 'red ?' contest that was held recently. My entry would have been called 'Act'. But - I never entered the contest

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Old 04-12-2005, 07:28 PM
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Haha. Well, you should have! There's plenty going on inside this head of mine, though... I need to work on the online store and a few partner programs. Then there's always the possibility of a yellow section...

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