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09-30-2005, 09:32 AM
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GreenHybrid Founder
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Real Name: Jason Siegel
Location: Houston, TX
Hybrids: 2004 Toyota Prius
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Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
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CR’s suggestion when buying a new car is to reduce the EPA estimates by the following:
Conventional cars and trucks: 30%
Larger hybrids: 35%
Diesels: 36%
Smaller hybrids: 42%
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http://www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000360061203/
So... the Prius gets 31.9 MPG. Are they smoking something? 
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09-30-2005, 09:36 AM
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Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Larry S. Singleton
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Hybrids: 2007 TCH and Loving It !
Posts: 1,427
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Yes, they got 26 MPG in the HCH test. I would have loved to have been a fly on the window for that test and see what idiotic thing they did to get that low number. To quote Napoleon Dynamite:
"I D I O T S !!!!"

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09-30-2005, 09:45 AM
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Cng Attitudes-Not Physics
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Real Name: Chuck
Location: Lewisville (Dallas), Texas
Hybrids: 2000 Honda Enzyte 5-speed
Posts: 3,143
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Wild Guess
The higher the EPA rating, the more bad driving can bring the figures down.
Hypothesis: If the EPA released the figures as liters consumed per 100 kilometers, the larger vehicles would undershoot the EPA estimates by the greatest margin.
Just the same, Consumer Reports should have mentioned something about responsible driving....
61.5mpg lifetime - 82mpg in recent months
Best Run >
www.cleanmpg.com
"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated
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09-30-2005, 01:43 PM
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Crazy Hybrid Enthusiast
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Real Name: Jason
Location: Louisville KY
Hybrids: 2005 Prius
Posts: 24
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Glad I am not the only one who was asking the question what Consumer Reports was smoking... My friend showed me that crap and I showed him this web site and said these are real people not some test on how bad you can drive to get rancid MPG... I went 100 miles per hour once... and my MPG was less then 5... I wrote Toyota a letter because how dare they boast about gas when at those speeds my car was no better then a H2... LOL
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09-30-2005, 01:59 PM
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Enchanter, Enthusiast
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Real Name: Paul
Location: Seattle, Washington
Hybrids: 03 HCH CVT (retired)
Posts: 851
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
My theory is that Consumer Reports, like most journalists, drive these cars to check out performance - accelleration, handling, etc. I'm sure they drive the wheels off each car they get a hold of. I cannot for the life of me figure out why none of them are smart enough to figure out that if you drive that way you're going to get terrible mileage in any car. Their own data should be screaming this point at them!!! "Let's see, every car we test gets lower than EPA. Hmmmmm. What could the problem be....Oh yes. The industry lies to consumers, and we're here to expose the awful truth. Yes, lets print that. Because it clearly could not be our fault." 

*** Retired after 65,000 outstanding miles ***
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09-30-2005, 02:15 PM
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Super Moderator & Contributor ($)
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
Wow they are way off, no one in the database is getting that low for the Prius or the Civic.
Still if they got their way and the Prius was rated at 32 mpg it would cut down on the whining. Pretty much everybody would match or beat the new EPA rating so they would all be happier.
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09-30-2005, 05:02 PM
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FEH Advocate
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Location: Ventura, CA
Hybrids: FEH 2005
Posts: 68
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
So when the CR grass-roots revolt causes EPA to change their ratings to CR-type "real world" test results, does that mean majority of hybrid owners get to claim hypermiler status?!

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09-30-2005, 06:22 PM
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Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Erick
Location: Coquitlam, B.C.
Hybrids: 2001 Prius
Posts: 1,045
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
The EPA can't change their test that easily because that would affect the CAFE regulations too, so automakers will lobby for them to stay the same, as they have been.
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09-30-2005, 06:55 PM
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Ridiculously Active Enthusiast
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Real Name: Steve
Location: Atlanta, Ga
Hybrids: 2004 Civic CVT Hybrid
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
I think they were paid off.
By who? I wonder who would benefit by keeping MPG reports low and hiding the capability of these cars?
(That was not a political statement, but a business statement)
I know for a fact that CR can be paid off....case in point:
Back in early 2003 my dad knew I was in the market for a new car and sent me a "review" on the Prius in CR.
It was 3-4 pages and appeared to be a real-to-life actual review, complete with those highlighted quotes and ads sprinkled along the way.
It was a beautifuly glowing review in general and even pointed out a few things on the car that may need improvement.
My dad missed the magnifying glass sentance located under a line at the end in an area easily overlooked and said "Paid Toyota Advertisement"
I wish I would have kept that advertisement "review".
Efficient drivers do it better.
1003 miles a tank personal record. 74MPG calculated. HCH1 CVT
Last edited by Hot_Georgia_2004 : 09-30-2005 at 07:00 PM.
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09-30-2005, 07:59 PM
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Super Moderator & Contributor ($)
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Posts: 1,672
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Re: Since when is Consumer Reports so ridiculously wrong?
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Originally Posted by Hot_Georgia_2004
I think they were paid off.
By who? I wonder who would benefit by keeping MPG reports low and hiding the capability of these cars?
(That was not a political statement, but a business statement)
I know for a fact that CR can be paid off....case in point:
Back in early 2003 my dad knew I was in the market for a new car and sent me a "review" on the Prius in CR.
It was 3-4 pages and appeared to be a real-to-life actual review, complete with those highlighted quotes and ads sprinkled along the way.
It was a beautifuly glowing review in general and even pointed out a few things on the car that may need improvement.
My dad missed the magnifying glass sentance located under a line at the end in an area easily overlooked and said "Paid Toyota Advertisement"
I wish I would have kept that advertisement "review".
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 I thought that CR did not take adds??? Are you sure it was not a different consumer rag?
Last edited by lakedude : 09-30-2005 at 08:46 PM.
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