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I just stumbled upon this site through an ad on yahoo. I am not siding with GM. However, I think it is always important to hear both sides of a story.

Liars. Plain and simple. What f%^*ing hybrids? Where are they? Hydrogen? Don't even get me started.

See ya GM.

Cheers,

Curt.

PS Why can't we crush all the GM crap that's out there, starting with the Hummers and Tahoes? THAT'd win some points in many eyes.

'04 Seaside Pearl #7. Fumoto oil drain, mudflaps, rear bumper scuff protector & rear warn system, compass mirror, EV mode button, 8" subwoofer in right rear cubby & 6" subs under seats, power lumbar in the front seats, Coastaletech hitch w/ Aspen bike/snowboard rack. iPod2car, 2 amps, Alpine component speakers, and DVD video, solid 47 MPG @ 70000 miles.

Their website says the hybrid Saturn Vue Green Line is coming out this summer. I'm curious to see how that will turn out, although I'm pretty sure I would never buy one. I married into a Saturn that was high maintenance. We disposed of that car many years ago.

This along with NOW IS THE TIME TO BUY AN SUV....... illustrates that many members here loath Hummers, Escalades, Tahoes.... I'm not the most passionate or strike out at all SUVs, yet a few seem to respond to my remarks as if I'm the only one making these kinds of posts. I may have made the most and have had the most stories. If find it strange that none of the stories at Time: Pain at the Pump were challenged (Tahoe owner giving a dirty look at a hybrid compact, or something to that effect...), yet a recent story of me encountering a guy in an H2 limo is scrutinized and disputed by 2-3 people that were not there.

The only thing that may distinguish myself is posting the pictures of how silly some of these poseurs look - it seems to strike nerves. While I'm not going to say every Tahoe driver, etc. looks like some of the people I've put on "candid camera", it's still commonplace and among other things indicates they are totally disinterested in better fuel economy.

Again, I find it very interesting that many members here make very similar remarks about jumbo SUVs and one-ton trucks, yet they don't get flamed much (nor do they deserve it). There is no rationale to this discrepancy.

I apologize for risking a flame war bringing this up.

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"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

I for one am tired of you intentionally trying to call me out on these boards and then claiming that you are not a troll or intentionally posting flame bait.



The reason I didn't respond to the above post is because the above post makes no reference to morality or moral fiber of the person who is DRIVING the SUV. You on the other hand chose to attack the person driving the vehicle. You goal is not to discuss and debate the merits of said vehicles, but to rather demonize and vilify the persons driving them. BIG BIG difference.



The only reason you see no rationale to the discrepancy is because you live in a fantasy world and refuse to see beyond your own hypocrisy and stereotyping.

Here is what amazes me. Why do the moderators continually allow you to hijack a thread with personal attacks and flames and yet, when any of us respond to in defense, we are chastised. Where is the rationale to this discrepancy.



Why even make such a post if it wasn’t to try and stir something up. What did this post contribute to the conversation regarding GM. Everything is about you isn’t it.



And yes I am sure you will respond with some half-baked “I am not crazy” reply in an attempt to divert this thread further. But unlike you I don’t have to have the last word, so whatever response you post won’t matter. You will get no further replies from me. If you want to continue to rant and rave and make further attempts to try and convince people that you are not carrying around some kind of preconceived bias regarding SUV owners, got right ahead. Maybe some of the other members will be more apt to believe you. Bottom line is your actions betray your words.

Hey folks, chill-out.

The right answer is to have the right tool for the right job and sometimes that is an SUV, a Hummer stretch limo or quarter-ton truck. Heck, someone's commuting car might be out of service and a full-size RV show up . . . so what?

I don't cotton to my co-workers commuting in their dualie, cab-4 but the price they pay is at the pump. On 'casual Friday,' I wear my "50 MPG", GreenHybrid.com Polo shirt and don't give it a second thought. Oh every now and then I'll complain about having to pay $12-15 dollars to fill-up or that I've not made enough business trips so my per-diem mileage pays for all of my gas for the week.

They knew what they were buying and got what they asked for. As for me, I've got so many more interesting problems to work on that I can't really get distracted by their discomfort. Heck, most of them voted for the wrong guy, twice. As for the local skeptics, most of them I've had drive or ride in my car already and they know I paid only $17.3k.

Bob Wilson

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My other 1500 cc car:

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I'm still at a loss when I see others make emotionally charged posts on this topic and somehow "it's different" and not demonization???? Totally unconvinced my message and presentation is that different at all.

There might be a difference with a story rather than a statement, esp. if there is a picture. Yes, it's more personal. Sorry you don't like hearing those accounts.

Your troller/flame-baiter charge might be a little more plausable if the theme of this forum was speed, performance, and one-ton trucks/SUVs. That would be attacking the majority of the members and the theme. My understanding of a hybrid forum is encouraging a gas-saving technology, which usually means driving a resonably-sized vehicle. So I'm judgemental by pointing out commuting alone to work in a 5,000-6,000 pound vehicle could be wasteful? Again, I don't seem to be alone or all that distinctive in such posts.

Let me understand this: a forum is started, grows and has quite a few members that support 40+mpg vehicles. A couple of years later, someone joins and get defensive when it's pointed out a 10mpg jumbo SUV is inconsistent with fuel economy and a clean environment, not to mention many articles and personal observations indicate narcassism by quite a few of the drivers. The forum must totally redefine itself to the newcomer(s) because he declares the members that were in here before him trolls? This kind of logic is usually found in Dilbert - flawed.

P.S. I don't have a problem with various vehicles used as long as it fits - I just see a lot of instances that are bad fit. Until I see a lot of jumbo SUVs driving far from a paved road, the "utility" is bogus.

Don't you think that a forum named GreenHybrid would be populated by members that want to drive vehicles that are green, hybrid or both? How is a Hummer consistent with green or hybrid?

Note to myself: put this thread away - subsequent attacks will validate the defensive replies are irrational. (Mr. Kite for instance, who wanted to continue a closed thead last week because I refused to recant a factual observation with his fiction to support his POV and an apparent friend of his that PMed a diatribe)

60.3mpg lifetime - 71mpg in winter months

Best Run >
www.cleanmpg.com

"fanatic" is what the lazy call the dedicated

Delta Flyer,
It just amazes me how you keep missing the point. I do not think that many people disagree with you about SUVs and hummers being wasteful. Of course we do not like the vehicles. The point is that you have stereotyped the drivers and you anticipate that there will be tension between you and the driver of the gas guzzler. I previously pointed this out and you asked me to drop the subject. I did and now you have brought it back up.

previous example

You anticipate an encounter with a driver of a hummer as being problematic. This is what people have a problem with. If anybody disagrees with the bolded assessment, please let me know.

Thanks.

Delta,

I can at least have decent fact based discussions with you, even if you start off with "flame-bait" or an emotionally charged post. You still have the capacity to debate and express opinions in a rational manner. When I read the post above that you are referring to, my reactions were:

1. Took offence and considered firing back<
2. Chuckled to myself that beer and keyboards are not a good combination<
3. Decided that it wasn't worth my time debating with someone as obviously irrational as the poster appears to be.<

That's when I decided to just let it go. I know where you stand on SUVs but I also know you're up for a rational debate.

Peace,

Martin

I am NOT the official voice of GM with respect to Hybrid issues

I am NOT the official voice of GM with respect to Hybrid issues

I am NOT the official voice of GM with respect to Hybrid issues

I'd be more sympathetic towards GM, concerning the EV1, if they had simply ended the program. It's one thing to say, "These cars didn't sell well and the technology's not really there yet." It's quite a different thing to confiscate the EV1s, crush them into cubes, then melt them down to slag, then pretend the whole project never existed.

At least Toyota let their customers keep their Rav-EV trucks until they were legitimately used up.

Also, GM doesn't seem to have kept any useful data from their EV1 project. If they did, then they wouldn't be trying to force-fit the hybrid system from a diesel locomotive down into a full-size SUV (aka 2-mode). For Toyota, however, I guarantee that there is plenty of RAV-EV technology is modern day HSD systems.

Giving away free gas is just a gimmick. I agree with the GM marketer that it's no more sinister than any other kind of rebate.

I do think that they've wasted too much time and money trying to develop fuel cell technology. After all, how commercially viable can a technology be if it requires several pounds of platinum PER VEHICLE! Is there even enough platinum worldwide to allow for mass production?