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07-19-2006, 04:38 PM
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2007 Chevy Silverado
Some trivia.....
I went today to my local Chevrolet dealership on personal business.
After I parked, I noticed that the vehicle next to me was a 2007 Chevy Silverado Hybrid.
It had a green double arrow on a chrome background with HYBRID displayed boldly.
However:On the window sticker, I could see that there was not very much useful information. Only the hybrid option package listed as a $1500 value, slightly higher than the OnStar option, and the city/ hiway mileage at 19/21 if I recall correctly. Not much else.
I asked the salesman if this was the BAS system, but he gave me this puzzled look. And Chevy's website is also lacking information, other than this is a limited availability vehicle, and that it gives a 2 MPG improved mileage over a conventional Silverado.
Comments?
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07-20-2006, 07:17 AM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
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Originally Posted by lakedude
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14,000 watts is something like 20 HP....
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07-20-2006, 03:02 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
Well... With a 2 MPG improvement, the FE gain is a bit anemic. But having four 120v outlets is pretty cool. I wonder what the voltage rating is on the battery array?
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07-20-2006, 03:04 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
Found this:
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Flywheel Alternator Starter (FAS) System
GM hybrid pickup trucks get more miles from each gallon of gasoline mainly because of the engine start/stop function and regenerative braking, which turn the motor into a generator as the truck decelerates. Extra fuel savings come from quickly shutting off fuel any time the truck is coasting or braking, using the electric motor to make the transition seamless to the driver.
Instead of a conventional starter motor and alternator, the hybrid truck features a compact electric motor integrated between the engine and transmission, known as a flywheel alternator starter system. The 14,000- watt electric motor provides fast, quiet starting power, the ability to generate up to 2,400 watts of continuous electric power, and 10% fuel savings.
The electricity generated by the system has many uses. It may be stored in a 42-volt lead-acid battery pack for future use, used to support on-board electric accessories, operate power tools, or even run essential home appliances during power outages using the pair of 120-volt, 20-amp outlets in the cab and bed. This technology is currently available to fleet and commercial customers throughout the country and is available to retail consumers in Alaska, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada and Florida.
The FAS system is in production on the 2004 model year Chevrolet Silverado hybrid and GMC Sierra hybrid trucks. The hybrid trucks are available as an extended-cab pickup truck on the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra. It is equipped with a 42-volt lead-acid battery pack, a modified 4-speed automatic transmission, 5.3L V8 engine, and is available in both 2WD and 4WD.
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Here:
http://www.gm.com/company/gmability/...1_alt_hyb.html
So it looks like GM's FAS is very similar to Honda's IMA except that GM's FAS runs at much lower voltage.
If it was only an autostop system I would not call it a hybrid but since it stores energy during regen for later use as assist it is a real hybrid.
Details are remarkably hard to find......
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07-20-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado-HOW MUCH WAS IT?
Did you happen to notice the price.Was it a 1500 -1/2 ton or a 1500 HD (sorta a 5/8 ton) ?
19/21 is pretty impressive. Usually I do a bit better on the hy than the EPA hy and about 80% of city in the city. If it gets an honest 15-16 mpg city, it is the only V-8 that does.Thanks.Charlie
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07-20-2006, 03:19 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
Cool link.
Of course, my obsession with upgrading immediately kicks in. Like: if you increased the number of batteries in the array would it a.) Increase the FE, or b.) Increase the number of gadgets you could run concurrently? I'm guessing "b".
I wonder why GM used PbA instead of NiMH?
I wonder why it only has "limited" availability. If *I* needed a pickup truck, and a hybrid pickup truck was available, I'd buy one!
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07-20-2006, 03:55 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
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Originally Posted by AshenGrey
Cool link.
I wonder why GM used PbA instead of NiMH?
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I'm sure it is all about $$$.
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07-21-2006, 06:16 AM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
The 42 volt electrical system was an industry-wide initiative proposed some years back in the as a beefed up alternative to the ubiquitous 14 volt system. (The 12 volt in standby becomes 14 during charging, so a more accurate name is 12-14 volt)
The reasoning was that the 14 volt system had reached its peak power handling capacity, and with the ever-growing amount of electronic products and electrically actuated devices, a higher voltage was required. And yes, the flywheel mounted integrated starter generator (ISG) was proposed, along with electrically assisted steering.
However, if I recall correctly, the emphazis here was the addition of features and creature comforts. Fuel economy in those days was not a big concern, with gas prices hovering slightly above $1 /gallon.
But the industry lost interest because of the cost adders.
Apparently, the system has been resurrected, rebadged, and proposed as a fuel-economy improvement.
Anyways, this is what I recall from an electronic engineer's point of view, but my memory is no longer what it used to be. Maybe Martin could add some details.
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07-21-2006, 02:28 PM
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Re: 2007 Chevy Silverado
The Silverado's hybrid system is designed to provide AC power at job sites. The FAS is nice, but does little to impove FE.
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