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04-02-2008, 09:30 AM
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Real Name: Nick
Location: Rhode Island
Hybrids: 08 Desert Sand TCH w/Nav+Leather
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K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
Should I make the investment in a K&N air filter? Will it improve my fuel economy?
Has anyone had positive results with a K&N air filter?
37.6 mpg (US)
2008 Toyota Camry Hybrid
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04-02-2008, 10:43 AM
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Real Name: Michael
Location: Mid Hudson Valley, New York
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
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Originally Posted by nicst47
Should I make the investment in a K&N air filter? Will it improve my fuel economy?
Has anyone had positive results with a K&N air filter?
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Hi Nick,
This question will spark a lot of debate I am sure. For example, does a K&N (or any oil based filter) allow more dirt through? Does an oil based filter potentially damage your MAF sensor? Does the engine needs more air? And so.
I purchased a Toyota TRD washable filter and used it for about 10k miles. I do not think my FE was any better or worse than with the Purolator replacement. I decided to replace the oiled cotton with the paper filter because I determined I would rather filter out more dirt than get a few points in the FE or HP column. After all, the manufacture choose a paper filter for a reason.
That said, I sort of felt the TRD filter did give the car better response but that should very well have been 100% psychological.
You might want to take a look at the following link. I found it very useful and it is what ultimately allowed me make the jump back to paper.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest1.htm
Good luck,
Mike
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04-02-2008, 11:22 AM
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Location: Yokohama, JAPAN
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
If a K&N air filter worked perfectly for both improving fuel economy and no damage to anything, why all car manufacturer don't use it?
Ken@Japan
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04-02-2008, 11:35 AM
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Real Name: Nick
Location: Rhode Island
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
Thanks guys!!!
You both brought up some good points. I think that I will hold off on a K&N filter.
37.6 mpg (US)
2008 Toyota Camry Hybrid
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04-02-2008, 11:41 AM
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Real Name: Chris
Location: Raleigh,NC
Hybrids: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
I have a K&N filter in my TCH and have been happy with the results. I have used K&N filters in my old 4runner, 2 Saabs and a chevy S-10. I have been satified with the fuel economy in my TCH. I have been averaging close to 40mpg since i installed the K&N. It's a personal decision but the stock filter in my TCH really didn't look like it offered much in the way of flitering or performance.
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04-02-2008, 11:49 AM
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Real Name: Nick
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
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Originally Posted by CJO2007CamryHyb
I have a K&N filter in my TCH and have been happy with the results. I have used K&N filters in my old 4runner, 2 Saabs and a chevy S-10. I have been satified with the fuel economy in my TCH. I have been averaging close to 40mpg since i installed the K&N. It's a personal decision but the stock filter in my TCH really didn't look like it offered much in the way of flitering or performance.
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Thanks Chris for your input!
37.6 mpg (US)
2008 Toyota Camry Hybrid
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04-02-2008, 12:22 PM
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Real Name: Michael
Location: Mid Hudson Valley, New York
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
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Originally Posted by CJO2007CamryHyb
...I have been averaging close to 40mpg since i installed the K&N....
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That statement is misleading without any information prior to the installation of the K&N filter. In addition, other variables like learning how to drive the car, climate, and routes matter. If those were not held constant the statement would be void.
(Keep up the great FE!! I am jealous!)
Basically, we need a test similar to what the guy in the link I provided did. Just looking for FE instead of air filtration. I would be very interested in the results.
I did notice my oil seemed to contain a bit more fine particles after installation of my TRD. I just don't know about he FE. I guess I will know more when I have the car this summer using a paper filter as I used the TRD filter all last summer and after a few oil changes with the paper filter.
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04-02-2008, 04:18 PM
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Real Name: Chris
Location: Raleigh,NC
Hybrids: 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
Yes..........just based on when i installed the K&N filter the car only had less than 750mi from what i remember. The engine was still in the early break in stages and the K&N may or may not have had a direct impact on fuel economy. You are correct in that assumption.
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Originally Posted by mikieboyblue
That statement is misleading without any information prior to the installation of the K&N filter. In addition, other variables like learning how to drive the car, climate, and routes matter. If those were not held constant the statement would be void.
(Keep up the great FE!! I am jealous!)
Basically, we need a test similar to what the guy in the link I provided did. Just looking for FE instead of air filtration. I would be very interested in the results.
I did notice my oil seemed to contain a bit more fine particles after installation of my TRD. I just don't know about he FE. I guess I will know more when I have the car this summer using a paper filter as I used the TRD filter all last summer and after a few oil changes with the paper filter.
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04-02-2008, 04:25 PM
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Location: California
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
CAMRHEE Hybrid - FOR SALE!!!!
Completed Mods: RK-Sport body kit, 18" LexusGS430 wheels 235/50ZR18 tires, TRD/SE springs, Rear Lip Spoiler, Terk XM-Direct, Smoked tail lights, Sliding Armrest, Rear Bumper Applique, Front License Bracket, Lower Grill chrome inserts, K&N, Blaupunkt THB200A sub, moved rear HSD emblem
Future Mods: fog lights, black chrome my wheels
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04-03-2008, 08:44 PM
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Real Name: Bill
Location: Colorado
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Re: K&N Air filter..has your FE improved?
I had mentioned in a previous post yesterday my Toyota dealer strongly suggested against the K&N because issues with sensors setting off warning to the computer and more fine dirt past through to the top end of the engine. I found this article testing K&N filters that was done on a number of filters with interesting results.
http://www.nicoclub.com/articles.php?id=180100
I had K&N filters in my past two cars for 10 years and I stopped using them because of extra expense in cleaning throttle bodies.
I thought you should know.
Bill
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