How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
#31
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
I'm pretty sure mine's a SULEV.
#32
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
I recently had the same issue as Hellbent with my 2004 HCH (147K miles). I took it to the dealer and they said it would be $4500 for the battery and catalitic converter. I talk to Honda about getting some assistance with the battery, seeing as how I have an outstanding service record. No dice, they refused to help. I guess I will be riding unassisted for a while, till I can get $4500 together. It's is good to know that the car will drive without the the IMA working. Thanks guys.
#34
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
That doesn't sound right. You're under 150k miles, and I was told the battery pack for these vehicles (PZEVs) is under warranty up to 150k. They should replace it with no cost to you.
Even if it says "SULEV" in the window, it should say "PZEV" under the hood. That's what happened at the dealer with mine-- my service writer nearly panicked that he'd have to tell me to pay a bunch of money after telling me I didn't, and then he found the sticker.
Good luck!
Even if it says "SULEV" in the window, it should say "PZEV" under the hood. That's what happened at the dealer with mine-- my service writer nearly panicked that he'd have to tell me to pay a bunch of money after telling me I didn't, and then he found the sticker.
Good luck!
I recently had the same issue as Hellbent with my 2004 HCH (147K miles). I took it to the dealer and they said it would be $4500 for the battery and catalitic converter. I talk to Honda about getting some assistance with the battery, seeing as how I have an outstanding service record. No dice, they refused to help. I guess I will be riding unassisted for a while, till I can get $4500 together. It's is good to know that the car will drive without the the IMA working. Thanks guys.
#35
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
That doesn't sound right. You're under 150k miles, and I was told the battery pack for these vehicles (PZEVs) is under warranty up to 150k. They should replace it with no cost to you.
Even if it says "SULEV" in the window, it should say "PZEV" under the hood. That's what happened at the dealer with mine-- my service writer nearly panicked that he'd have to tell me to pay a bunch of money after telling me I didn't, and then he found the sticker.
Good luck!
Even if it says "SULEV" in the window, it should say "PZEV" under the hood. That's what happened at the dealer with mine-- my service writer nearly panicked that he'd have to tell me to pay a bunch of money after telling me I didn't, and then he found the sticker.
Good luck!
#36
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
A 2004 HCH is not a PZEV. The engine runs at all times. It is a ULEV if it is a manual or a SULEV if it is an automatic. It is not a PZEV. PZEV stands for Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. A Prius is a PZEV because it can run electric only, and the latest HCH and Insights are PZEV, but not a 2004. Texas is not a CARB state, so SULEVs are not covered beyond 8/80K. The CARB states ("green" states) are: CA, NY, VT, ME, MA, RI, and CT.
The service writer saw a PZEV sticker under my hood, and therefore was able to replace the batteries under warranty.
#37
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
No, you're not moving. A 2003-2005 HCH cannot propel itself without producing emissions. Auto-stop doesn't count because that's just rolling and any car can roll to a stop with the engine off.
#38
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
A 2004 HCH is not a PZEV. The engine runs at all times. It is a ULEV if it is a manual or a SULEV if it is an automatic. It is not a PZEV. PZEV stands for Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. A Prius is a PZEV because it can run electric only, and the latest HCH and Insights are PZEV, but not a 2004. Texas is not a CARB state, so SULEVs are not covered beyond 8/80K. The CARB states ("green" states) are: CA, NY, VT, ME, MA, RI, and CT.
I'm going to do a little research and get back to you when I'm more sure of myself...
#39
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
Here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial...ssions_vehicle
Notice that the PZEV standard has nothing to do with being able to drive in electric only mode.
Also the 2004 Civic Hybrid was in fact available in PZEV trim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_Hybrid
http://www.thecarconnection.com/spec...id-cvt-at-pzev
http://corporate.honda.com/press/art...=2003100849312
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial...ssions_vehicle
A Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle is a vehicle that has zero evaporative emissions from its fuel system, has a 15 year (or at least 150,000 mile) warranty and meets SULEV tailpipe emission standards.
Also the 2004 Civic Hybrid was in fact available in PZEV trim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Civic_Hybrid
Honda Civic Hybrid
First generation (2003–2005)
SULEV or optional AT-PZEV certification by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
First generation (2003–2005)
SULEV or optional AT-PZEV certification by the California Air Resources Board (CARB).
http://corporate.honda.com/press/art...=2003100849312
2004 Honda Accord models (LX and EX Sedan with 4-cylinder engine and automatic transmission) distributed in California, New York, Vermont, Maine and Massachusetts meet Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (PZEV) standards. 2004 Civic Hybrid models distributed in California, New York, Vermont, Maine and Massachusetts meet Advanced Technology Partial Zero Emission Vehicle (AT-PZEV) standards.
#40
Re: How long can you drive w/o IMA/Battery?
A 2004 HCH is not a PZEV. The engine runs at all times. It is a ULEV if it is a manual or a SULEV if it is an automatic. It is not a PZEV. PZEV stands for Partial Zero Emissions Vehicle. A Prius is a PZEV because it can run electric only, and the latest HCH and Insights are PZEV, but not a 2004. Texas is not a CARB state, so SULEVs are not covered beyond 8/80K. The CARB states ("green" states) are: CA, NY, VT, ME, MA, RI, and CT.
CARB ratings keep changing all the time, and in the case of the first generation HCH, it is very confusing because they put out the same model car with different emissions standards in different states.
http://corporate.honda.com/press/art...=2003091748461
(scroll down to the bottom of that page)
The SULEV was also an AT-PZEV, adding to the confusion. See this link to define AT-PZEV:
http://alternativefuels.about.com/od...y/g/ATPZEV.htm
Last edited by Gairwyn; 08-13-2009 at 07:36 PM. Reason: added a link or two